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THIS IS THE MAY 21ST MEETING OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.
OUR FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS IS TO RECESS INTO WORK SESSION.
THEN WE'LL RECONVENE INTO OUR GENERAL SESSION AT SIX 30, SO THAT I'LL GO INTO OUR WORK SESSION.
ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS THE WORK SESSION.
UH, WE'LL START WITH THE, THE ROLL CALL.
UM, I'M THE CHAIR OF THE PLANNING ZONING COMMISSION.
UH, LET'S DO THE ROLL CALL HERE.
HE SAID HE CHANGED HIS NAME JUST BECAUSE I, THAT, JUST BECAUSE HE'S JUST MESSING.
I'M GONNA HAVE TO COUNT HIM ABSENT.
I DON'T HERE
AND WE'RE MISSING CINDY BISHOP AND JOHN MEYER? CORRECT.
IF YOU WANNA INTRODUCE STAFF AND THEN REVIEW OUR CASES.
CINDY? UH, SO STAFF PROUD MYSELF.
UH, MARY PEARL BASEL, SENIOR PLANNER.
THEN WE'VE GOT, UH, MR. COLE BAKER, CIVIL ENGINEER, ENGINEER.
MR. BOB HAGER, CITY ATTORNEY, AND MS. CAMMY MCGEE, SECRETARY.
UM, SO ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT, WE HAVE, UH, ONE ITEM THAT WAS CONTINUED FROM LAST MONTH'S, UH, MEETING.
UH, THEY WERE LOOKING TO GO INTO THE CHURCH ON MACARTHUR.
UM, SO AT THAT TIME, THEY WERE LOOKING AT, OR THEY WERE APPROVED FOR A HUNDRED STUDENTS TOTAL MAX.
UM, SO THIS IS KIND OF LIKE A TWO YEAR, UH, DEAL.
SO FOR THIS UPCOMING SECOND YEAR, THEY ARE REQUESTING THAT THAT TOTAL OF A HUNDRED STUDENTS BE BUMPED UP TO 130.
UM, I GUESS THE, THE REASON BEING THAT THEY DON'T HAVE A HUNDRED A RIGHT NOW.
THEY HAVE LIKE, I THINK 69 FAMILIES, OR 69 KIDS, 32 FAMILIES.
UM, AND OF THOSE 69 KIDS, THEY'RE NOT THERE ALL THE TIME.
SO SOME ARE THERE LIKE MONDAY, WEDNESDAY, FRIDAY, AND SOME ARE THERE TUESDAY, THURSDAY.
AND THEN I THINK THERE'S LIKE THREE THAT COME, KIND OF ALL OCCUR WHENEVER THEY WANT TO GO.
SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE THINKING IS THAT IF IT WAS 130 KIDS TOTAL, YOU STILL WOULDN'T HAVE A HUNDRED KIDS THERE AT ANY ONE TIME.
IS, IS WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT.
UM, SO SINCE WE, UM, I THINK THE BIG ISSUE LAST YEAR WE WERE LOOKING AT IT WAS, HEY, ARE THEY GONNA START BACKING UP ONTO THE STREET OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? SO NOW WE HAVE SOME REAL LIFE RESULTS BECAUSE THEY'RE ACTUALLY THERE.
UM, AND SO SOME OF THE PICTURES THAT I'M GONNA SHOW YOU THAT WERE IN YOUR PACKET BASICALLY SHOW THAT THE BIGGEST LINEUP WAS LIKE 17 CARS.
UH, WHEN THEY HAVE A QUEUING OF 36.
SO NOT EVEN LIKE, SO ROUGHLY ABOUT HALF, NOT EVEN HALF OF THEIR QUEUING WAS TAKEN UP.
AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE PROGRESSION, 'CAUSE THEY TOOK SOME PICTURES, UM, LIKE WITHIN A COUPLE MINUTES, LIKE THOSE PEOPLE ARE GONE, RIGHT? SO IT'S, IT'S PRETTY QUICK IN AND OUT.
UM, THIS COMING YEAR, THEY'RE LOOKING ALSO AT MAYBE EXTENDING, UH, HOURS FOR LIKE AFTER SCHOOL CARE.
SO I THINK RIGHT NOW THEY END AT LIKE THREE 30.
SO LAST PICKUP BY FOUR, I THINK, UH, THIS UPCOMING YEAR, THEY'RE LOOKING AT MAYBE FIVE O'CLOCK TO BE LIKE THE LAST END OF THE DAY KIND OF DEAL.
UM, THAT'S REALLY PRETTY MUCH IT.
MARY DID FROM MEMORY, I CAN'T REMEMBER, DID THEY COMMIT TO THAT SPLIT CLASS SCHEDULE? IS THAT A CONDITION THAT THEY HAVE THAT SPLIT SCHEDULE? UM, I'M NOT SURE IF IT'S A CONDITION, BUT THAT'S HOW THEY OPERATE THEIR SCHOOLS.
WE, WE, YOU COULD PUT THAT CONDITION IN SENSE, I THINK, RIGHT? IT IS AN SUP.
SO YOU COULD ADD THAT AS CONDITION.
THEY HAVE SPLIT KEEP HER FROM BEING A WORSE PROBLEM.
BUT ISN'T THAT A STATE ISSUE? UM, FOR SCHOOL OPERATION? YOU KNOW THAT, THAT NUMBER, I DUNNO.
I MEAN THEY, THEY HAVE TO HAVE ENOUGH TEACHERS AND THEY HAVE TO HAVE ENOUGH HAVE RATIO.
SO IS TO BE ACCREDITED, IS THAT NOT A ZONING ISSUE? ISN'T THAT A WELL,
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ALL I'M SAYING IS, IS IF THEY'RE COMMITTED TO DOING THAT AND THEY CAN KEEP THEIR ACCREDITATION, I'M TRYING NOT TO MAKE THE TRAFFIC ANY WORSE.BECAUSE IF THEY DO GET TO ONE 30, AND IF I DON'T HAVE THE CONDITION IN THERE, YEAH, IF THEY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE STATE, SOMEBODY NEEDS, THAT'S A DIFFERENT ISSUE.
THAT'S REALLY A DIFFERENT ISSUE.
BUT THAT, THAT WAS GOING TO BE MY QUESTION WAS, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY DOUBLE THE QUEUE.
34 DOUBLING THE STUDENTS MORE OR LESS, RIGHT? MM-HMM
WHAT STICK, WHAT, WHAT STICK WOULD WE HAVE IF WE NEED TO? SO I KIND OF LIKE THE, THE, SO THEY TALKED ABOUT THE SPLIT SCHEDULE BEFORE? YEAH, THEY DID WHEN THEY WERE HERE LAST TIME? MM-HMM
YEAH, BECAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S JUST HOW THEY OPERATE.
SO, SO THE CONDITION MAINTAIN THE SPLIT SCHEDULE GOING FORWARD.
AND IF THERE'S A CHANGE, THEY, THEY NEED TO, IF THERE'S AN ACCREDITATION PROBLEM, THEY NEED TO NOTIFY US AND WE CAN ADDRESS THAT.
SO, SO IF YOU SAY QUALIFY, HOW DO YOU QUALIFY A SPLIT SCHEDULE? THAT CAN BE ONE KID.
HOW DO YOU, YOU KNOW THAT? WELL, I WOULD ASK HER.
'CAUSE SHE'S THE ONE THAT BROUGHT IT UP.
SHE'S THE ONE THAT'S PROMOTED THAT, YOU KNOW.
BUT TO GET LANGUAGE TRAFFIC LANGUAGE PURPOSES, IF YOU JUST SAY SPLIT SCHEDULE AGAIN, WE CAN BE ONE SHOT.
IS IT K THROUGH FOUR THAT HAVE THE MONDAY, WEDNESDAY, FRIDAY, AND THE OLDER KIDS THURSDAY? I JUST HAVE HER EXPLAIN THAT.
I'LL MAKE SOME NOTES AND IF THERE THEY CONSENT TO THAT AND COMMIT TO THAT, THEN I'LL MAKE SURE WHEN I WRITE THE ORDINANCE THAT IT'S IN THERE.
THE, I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
DID THE TR WHAT, WHAT ASSUMPTION DID THE TRAFFIC STUDY TAKE? THERE WASN'T STUDY.
THERE WASN'T ANY OH, THERE, OKAY.
YEAH, IT'S JUST, WE DID LIKE A QUEUING ANALYSIS AND THEY CAN QUEUE LIKE 36.
BECAUSE PLUS THEY HAVE PARKING ON SUNDAY, RIGHT? THEY HAVE PARKING MM-HMM
UM, 'CAUSE I'M, I WOULD THINK THAT, I GUESS I, I ASSUME THERE'S A STUDY.
IF THERE'S A STUDY, WE JUST HAVE TO TAKE THE ASSUMPTION THAT A HUNDRED KIDS ARE COMING IN THE MORNING AND LEAVING IT IN THE AFTERNOON AT THEIR WORST CASE SCENARIO.
AND THIS YEAR, I THINK THEY HAD 60, I DUNNO IF IT WAS 66 OR 69, LIKE THEY DIDN'T MEET THAT A HUNDRED THRESHOLD, BUT I GUESS THEY ALREADY HAVE PEOPLE, UM, LIKE SIGNING UP FOR NEXT YEAR.
SO THEY JUST WANT TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY THAT IF THEY GET, YOU KNOW, 110 KIDS MM-HMM
AND THEY'VE EXPANDED THEIR PICKUP WINDOW IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
THEY, THEY, THEY, SO THE PICKUP THE MORNING IS GONNA BE THE SAME.
'CAUSE IF THEY OFFER SOME KIND OF AFTERSCHOOL RIGHT.
CARE, THERE WAS SOME CONCERN ABOUT THE CONFLICT.
BUT THEY DON'T, THEY DON'T, UH, RIGHT THERE, THEY DON'T HAVE THE SAME TIMEFRAMES AS THE OTHER SCHOOL.
IF THEY DO DAYCARE, DOES THAT PUT THEM INTO CONFLICT WITH THE ADJACENT SCHOOL ON MAYBE STAR'S BACK UP OR SOMETHING? NO, I DON'T.
YEAH, BECAUSE WELL, PARENTS, PARENTS QUEUE UP FOR PICKUP.
DROP OFF IS AS YOU GET THERE, RIGHT? YEAH.
BUT IT'S IF THEY QUEUE UP FOR PICKUP.
BUT IF THEY HAVE A LARGER WINDOW TO PICK UP FROM, THERE'S LESS URGENCY FOR THE PARENT TO PICK UP RIGHT.
AT THREE OR TWO 30 OR WHATEVER IT IS.
WELL, IT'LL JUST BE PAYING FOR THAT SERVICE.
WHY WOULD WE CONDITION? WELL THAT, I DON'T KNOW.
THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO, IF THE CONCERN IS TRAFFIC, WHY WOULD WE CONDITION THE OPERATION VERSUS LIKE SPECIFICALLY CALLING OUT TRAFFIC.
SO IF THEY HAVE EXTRA ROOM IN THEIR QUEUE, THEN THEY COULD POTENTIALLY ACCOMMODATE 130 WITHOUT IT BEING A PROBLEM.
EVEN NOT DOING A SPLIT SCHEDULE.
I DIDN'T, THAT'S SHE, SHE OFFERED THAT WE USE SPLIT SCHEDULING SO THAT CERTAIN KIDS COME ON CERTAIN DAYS AT CERTAIN TIMES AND OTHER KIDS COME IN OTHER TIMES ON OTHER DAYS.
AND THEREFORE WE'RE NEVER GONNA HAVE A CUING PROBLEM.
SO THEY HAVE MONDAY, WEDNESDAY, FRIDAY, FULL DAY ATTENDEES 66, TUESDAY, THURSDAY FULL TIME, FULL DAY ATTENDEES 39.
SO THEY ALSO HAVE STUDENTS THAT COME KIND OF A LA CAR.
MAYBE THEY MIGHT JUST GO FOR THE MORNING OR MAYBE JUST GO FOR CERTAIN CLASS IN THE AFTERNOON.
SO IT'S NOT LIKE WE HAVE A HUNDRED KIDS OR 130 KIDS THAT COME EVERY DAY, ALL DAY.
RIGHT? BECAUSE IF THEY, IF THAT'S 130 CARS, THEY DON'T HAVE THAT BACKS UP ONTO THE CARPET.
WELL, AND THE MAJORITY OF THEM ARE LIKE TWO OR THREE KIDS.
BUT I, WE CAN'T MAKE THAT ASSUMPTION.
IT'S NO DIFFERENT THAN THE WALMART PARKING LOT.
THEY HAVE TO ASSUME THAT ONE GENERATION CUSTOMER, ONE CAR.
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WITH, IF THEY DO HAVE MORE THAN 35 CARS COMING AT ONE TIME, ONE CAR'S GONNA BE OUT IN THE CAR.MARY, HAS ANYONE COMPLAINED ABOUT THEIR OPERATION? I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN DO THE MATH LIKE THAT.
'CAUSE THINK ABOUT, THINK ABOUT SOME OF THE OTHER SCHOOLS WE LOOKED AT.
ONE, THERE'S, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, TRAFFIC PROBLEMS PROBABLY AT ALL OF 'EM.
BUT LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, LIKE BLAKE SIDE WHERE WAS, WE'RE TAKING IT UP TO 600 AND THEY DON'T HAVE ROOM FOR A 600 CAR STACKED.
SO LIKE, I THINK JUST BECAUSE IT'S ONE 30, IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN THAT THERE'S GONNA BE 130 CARS.
SO BECAUSE PEOPLE MAKE ADJUSTMENTS YEAH.
AND THAT NOBODY ARRIVES AT THE EXACT SAME TIME.
SO, AND I MEAN, I AGREE AND I CAN ASSUME THAT BECAUSE THIS IS A MORE INTIMATE YEAH.
THEY ARE GIVING MORE FLEXIBILITY TO THEIR PARENTS.
UM, YOU KNOW, I LIVE RIGHT BEHIND WILSON AND BOTH SIDES OF SOUTH CAPELLA ROAD.
THERE'S A LONG LINE AND FOR SURE IT'S INSIDE MY NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE MANY OF THE PARENTS WAIT IN THE BACK ENTRANCE.
SO, 'CAUSE THEY ALL WANT TO QUEUE UP
IT'S ALL, IF WE CONDITION IT ON TRAFFIC, IT'S GONNA BE BASED ON OBSERVATION OR SOMEONE COMPLAINING.
NO, AND WHAT THEY WILL PROBABLY SAY IF WE DO AFTER SCHOOL, INSTEAD OF PARENTS PICKING UP AT THREE, THEY'RE GONNA PICK UP AFTER SCHOOL AT FOUR.
SO THAT'LL TAKE AWAY SOME OF, IT'LL FIVE.
NO ONE WILL PROBABLY BRING THEIR CHILD THERE FOR DAY IS CURRENT STUDENTS THAT WILL STAY ON CAMP.
I MEAN THIS, MY ONLY CONCERN IS LIKE CONDITIONING SOMETHING THAT'S SORT OF INDIRECT WHERE THEY MAINTAIN A SPLIT SCHEDULE, BUT THEN TRAFFIC'S STILL A PROBLEM.
YOU KNOW, LIKE YOU MAY NOT, YOU MAY STILL HAVE A PROBLEM.
AND SO, AND THEN TWO, LIKE PHILOSOPHICALLY, I DON'T NECESSARILY LIKE CONDITIONING AN OPERATION WHERE LIKE WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT REALLY SOLVING, NECESSARILY SOLVING ANYTHING OR WE'RE TRYING TO COME UP WITH A
I MEAN, IT IT DOES WELL, YEAH.
I MEAN IT DOES IN TERMS OF LIKE, IF, IF THEY AGREE TO IT, THEN I THINK THAT SEEMS REASONABLE TO SAY, OKAY, IT'S GONNA BE A SIMILAR, BUT IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE IT'S BEEN A PROBLEM.
I JUST DON'T KNOW HOW YOU WOULD WORD SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND THEN HOW YOU'RE GOING, HOW YOU, HOW YOU LIKE, ARE WE GONNA SUPPOSED TO GO OUT THERE AND LIKE COUNT IT? WELL, IT WOULD BE, IT WOULD BE SIMPLISTIC.
SOMETHING SIMPLE THAT, YOU KNOW, THE, THIS IS ENABLES 130 KIDS.
WHICH IS PROBABLY BE ABOUT 34 CARS.
BUT IF THERE'S QUEUING THAT STARTS ACCUMULATE OUT INTO THE MACARTHUR MM-HMM.
AND IT'S GONNA BE, AND THERE'S A COMPLAINT ON IT.
BUT THEN THAT'S WHERE WE'RE WITH WHAT'S STICK.
WE COULD, WELL WE COULD INSTITUTE ZONING AND REVOKE THE SUV.
BUT THEN WE'D BRING THEM BACK BECAUSE NOW WE GOTTA HAVE A REMEDY BECAUSE NOW WE HAVE A PROBLEM.
WAS IT PART OF THE ORIGINAL SUP? NO.
WHAT'S THAT? THE ACCOUNT? THE SPLIT.
THE SPLIT OR ANY, ANY CONDITIONS? NO.
'CAUSE THEY WERE STARTING OUT AND THEY REALLY DIDN'T EXPECT TO BE WHERE THEY ARE NOW.
BUT NOW WITH THE VOUCHER THING, I THINK SOME OF THESE PRIVATE SCHOOLS ARE, HAVE ANOTHER FUNDING SOURCE AND SO THEY EXPAND.
NOW THIS, DID WE SUNSET IT? IT'S, WELL, TWO YEARS I BELIEVE.
I DUNNO IF WE PUT THAT IN THE ORDINANCE, BUT IT WAS ONLY FOR TWO YEARS THAT THEY WERE LOOKING TO DO IT.
WE ONLY WROTE IT FOR TWO YEARS.
AND THEY, BUT I MEAN, TO YOUR POINT, IF THE, IF THEY'RE AGREEING TO THE SPLIT SCHEDULE AND THAT'S THE WAY THAT THEY OPERATE, THAT ACTUALLY THAT WOULD ACTUALLY MITIGATE THE PROBLEM.
IF THAT ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, IT OPERATES LIKE IT'S OPERATING.
I DON'T KNOW IF THEY GET, AND I THINK PART OF IT'S A SPACE PROBLEM TOO.
'CAUSE THE CHURCH ISN'T VERY BIG BECAUSE THEY'RE THE CHURCH OF THE APOSTLES.
AND SO THEY MAY NEED TO SPLIT IT UP 'CAUSE THEY CAN ONLY ACCOMMODATE SO MANY CHILDREN.
AND NOW YOU GET INTO ACCREDITATION ISSUES THAT YOU MENTIONED, UH, EARLIER.
SO I THINK THEY HAVE ENOUGH SPACE FOR THE KIDS.
WELL, I YOU DON'T HAVE ANY REAL CONDITIONS ON THIS IN YOUR RECOMMENDATION AND YEAH, I LIKE THE FACT THAT, UH, LET'S JUST LET THEM MANAGE IT.
AND IF THERE'S A COMPLAINT, LET'S DEAL WITH THE PROBLEM.
I'M JUST TRYING TO AVOID PROBLEM OPINION.
SO WHAT WAS THE CON WHY, WHY WON'T, SORRY ABOUT THAT.
WHY WON'T WE ALLOW THEM TO USE THE BACK ENTRANCE? WHAT WAS THAT? THAT'S THE CITY LOT VERSUS THE SIDEWALK.
WELL, THEY GOT DATED BACK TO THE CITY, RIGHT? YEAH.
SO WHY WOULD WE, WE DIDN'T WANT PEOPLE COMING IN FROM BOTH TWO DIRECTIONS AND, UH, BUT LET'S JUST SAY A QUEUING PROBLEM ALL OF A SUDDEN POPS UP, UH, 130 KIDS AND YOU KNOW, THE, THE LINK BETWEEN CARS AND EVERY NOW AND THEN THERE'S A CAR STICKING OUT AND BECOMES A PROBLEM.
WHAT ARE GONNA BE SOME OF THE SOLUTIONS? WELL, WHY DON'T WE ALLOW PARK FOLKS TO
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COME IN FROM THE BACK THAT'LL HELP AT LEAST PROVIDE AN OPPORTUNITY TO REDUCE THE QUEUE.ARE WE GONNA REALLY DENY THAT BECAUSE THERE'S PARK WALK THEIR KIDS IN ACROSS THE PARKING LOT.
I THINK IF THERE'S AN ISSUE, WE WILL DEFINITELY LOOK AT IT.
WHEN WE BOUGHT THAT PROPERTY, WE PUT A LIMITATION ON THE CHURCH'S USE OF THAT PARKING LOT.
THIS IS? OR IS IT JUST IN THE BUILDING? THEY'RE A TENANT OF THE CHURCH.
SO I WOULD COUNT THAT AS WOULD THE CHURCH IS PROVIDING FOR USE THAT VIOLATES THAT AMMUNITION.
YEAH, BUT WHAT DID YOU DO THAT BOB? WELL, 'CAUSE WE WANTED ACCESS TO THE PARK.
IF IT'S FULL OF CHURCH PEOPLE, THEN THE CITIZENS CAN GO TO THE DOG PARK.
THEY CAN'T PLAY AT THE SHEHAN, UH, CENTER PLAY BASEBALL.
YEAH, BASEBALL AND WHATEVER'S GOING ON.
IT OPENED UP, DIDN'T IT? PARKING? IT LOOKS REALLY NICE.
I'VE NEVER SEEN A FULL, WELL, IT'S NICE.
IS IT POOCH? I LIVE RIGHT UP THE STREET FROM THAT CHURCH.
WELL, WE'LL PARK AT YOUR HOUSE THEN.
YOU DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO BE HERE.
BUT SO BOB, BUT YOU CAN EVEN, YOU CAN, BUT THERE, THERE WAS SOME RESTRICTIONS ABOUT THE CHURCH'S USE OF THAT PARKING LOT WHEN WE NEGOTIATED FOR, FOR PARKING THOUGH.
WAS IT? BECAUSE IT'S PUBLIC ACCESS, RIGHT? YEAH.
I'M NOT GONNA GO OUT THERE AND TELL 'EM THEY CAN SIT THERE AND WAIT ON THEIR KIDS.
BUT YOU'RE SAYING THEY CAN'T EVEN, THEY CAN'T EVEN ACCESS IT THROUGH THERE.
THEY'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO USE IT FOR PARKING.
IT CONNECT BECAUSE IT'S A PUBLIC, IT'S A PUBLIC FACILITY SO THEY CAN USE IT FOR ACCESS.
SO THAT USUALLY, USUALLY THEY, RIGHT NOW THEY PUT PYLONS UP YEAH.
TO KEEP FROM DRIVING, YOU KNOW.
HAVE PEOPLE COME IN THROUGH MACARTHUR, COME IN AND EXIT THAT WAY.
UM, I THINK THE BUT YOU COULD USE THE PUBLIC ACCESS TO ACCESS THE PARKING.
WE COULD PROBABLY PARK AND THEN WALK OVER AND GET YOUR KID, I'M SURE.
ALLOW BECAUSE THE OTHER SCHOOL IS UP HERE ALLOWED OTHER PEOPLE TO USE AND THEY DON'T WANT TO INTERFERE WITH THE TRAFFIC.
THAT'S THE PROBLEM IS IN ORDER TO ENTER FROM THAT PARKING LOT, YOU'VE GOT TO COME FROM STAR.
AND IF THE TIMING ALIGNS WITH THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL NOW WE'VE GOT A LOT OF CONFLICT.
I MEAN I'M SURE SOME OF PEOPLE DO PARK AND WALK IN AND WE MAY BE OVERTHINKING IF IT'S A PROBLEM.
IT'S ONLY FOR THE NEXT ACADEMIC YEAR.
THEY'RE NOT GONNA GET FULL IN ONE YEAR PROBLEM.
I THOUGHT IT WAS TWO YEARS NOW AND THERE'S AN ISSUE AND WE REVOKE IT ALREADY.
SO WE'RE LOOKING FOR ONE MORE YEAR.
BECAUSE THEY THOUGHT THAT THEY WOULD ONLY FOR THE SECOND YEAR, TWO YEARS 'CAUSE THEY WOULD NEED THEIR OWN FACILITY.
SO THIS IS ALL HEALTHY DISCUSSION.
BUT IF IT'S ONLY ONE YEAR, THEY PROBABLY WON'T.
MARY, YOU'VE GOT A FANTASTIC STAFF REPORT HERE.
I JUST COPIED FROM LAST YEAR SECOND GOING THROUGH ALL THAT IN YOUR MIND AND JUST CHANGED A COUPLE ACTUALLY.
THIS IS THE DRAWBACK ABOUT BEING THE ONLY AGENDA ITEM THAT'S
A QUESTION THAT KIND OF IS NOT RELATED TO THIS UHHUH, IF I COULD ASK IT.
WHAT IS THE CITY DOING WITH THAT VACANT LAND ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE PARK NEXT TO THE SCHOOL, PARK SCHOOL.
WHICH LAND? THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.
THE PARCEL THAT, UH, IS ADJACENT TO THAT.
FACING THE, UH, ON STARLEY? YEAH.
OH, THAT'S PART OF THE CHURCH SIDE.
THE OTHER END OF THE CHURCH SIDE.
ISN'T THAT PART OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH? YEAH, FOR THE, BY THE CITY SOUTH.
WHICH ONE THAT YOU TALKING ABOUT? THE ONE ON THE CHURCH SIDE OR THE OTHER EAST SIDE? YEAH, NORTH SIDE OF STARWOOD.
AND THERE'S A EAST OF THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.
DO YOU KNOW FARTHER? RIGHT HERE.
UH, I THINK IT'S THE CHURCHES.
I DON'T THINK IT SOFT BASEBALL FIELDS.
EXPANSION OF THE OH, ED CHURCH STILL OWNS IT.
OH, THAT THE KIND OF THE TRIANGLE.
CHURCH STILL? UH, I HAVE NO IDEA.
IT WAS ONE OF YOUR STAFF THAT'S OWNED BY THE CITY.
I THOUGHT IT WAS OWNED BY THE CHURCH.
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BUT YEAH, I, I DON'T KNOW, BUT I CAN LOOK INTO IT FOR YOU.THAT'S A GREAT PARCEL REVENUE.
SO, UM, WE WENT TO COUNCIL ON THE 28TH, APRIL, UM, 14TH.
SO WE HAD A FEW ITEMS THAT WENT.
ONE WAS, UH, SAMARITAN'S PURSE.
SO THE ORDINANCE GOT APPROVED.
UM, ALSO ON THE 28TH WE HAD THE CONCRETE BATCH PLANT THAT WAS OUT OFF OF THAT.
UM, AND THEN WE ALSO HAD THE SHOPS AT SANDY LAKE, UH, RIGHT THERE.
AND THAT WAS NOT APPROVED EITHER REALLY? YEAH, BECAUSE THE MOTION FAILED.
SO THEY HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE BAD PLAN THAT'S ALREADY APPROVED.
THEY'RE GONNA GET WHAT THEY ASKED FOR, THEY PREVIOUS PLAN.
THIS ONE I THOUGHT WAS BETTER.
THEY, THEY DON'T WANT, THEY DID THINK IT WAS A BETTER PLAN.
AND THEN THEY HAVE TOOK EXCEPTION TO THE FOOD ESTABLISHMENT.
BUT IT'S STILL BACK ORIGINAL PLAN.
BUT THEY PUT ESTABLISHMENT THERE.
SO WHY DID THEY NEED A, I THINK YOU NEEDED A, THEY NEED A MAJORITY.
THE BATCH PLANT NEEDED A SUPER MAJORITY.
WHAT'S THAT? THE BATCH PLANT NEEDED A SUPER MAJORITY.
I THINK YOU GUYS HAD APPROVED THE SHOPS.
WE BUT IT, WHEN IT WENT TO COUNCIL, UH, WAS THERE WAS SIX THERE THEN HAD SIX THERE AND IT WAS A THREE, THREE VOTE.
AND UH, THE MAYOR, SO THE MOTION FAILED.
COULDN'T VOTE BECAUSE HE ABSTAINED BECAUSE HE LIVES IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD BEHIND HE, YEAH.
SO HE HAD TO ABSTAIN AND THERE WAS A ONE MEMBER ABSENT.
SO, SO THREE THREE IS DENIALS.
ANY, ANYTHING ELSE? ANY UPCOMING CASES OR ANYTHING ELSE WE NEED TO KNOW ABOUT? UM, NO.
ARE WE GONNA BE BUSY NEXT MONTH? WE WILL PROBABLY NOT BE BUSY NEXT MONTH.
WHEN IS THE SUBMITTAL DATE FOR JULY? ISN'T THAT WHEN YOU'RE HIKING FOR JULY? UM, OR FOR JUNE.
AND WE DIDN'T HAVE, WE, I THINK WE GOT ONE THING, BUT IT WAS, WE'LL PROBABLY DO IT.
I THINK IT'S ADMINISTRATIVELY.
WE MAY NOT HAVE A MEETING LIKE 18 REAL AND THEN JULY IS THIS ON THE 18TH? COOL.
WE'RE IN OUR FINAL WEEKS OF TRAINING.
SO, WE'LL, I'LL, I'LL ADJOURN.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF STAFF? ADJOURN THE WORKSHOP AT 6 24.
[3. Regular Session (Open to the Public)]
THE TIME IS SIX 30.AND WE WILL RECONVENE INTO OUR GENERAL SESSION.
[4. Citizens Appearance]
BUSINESS ON ITEM FOUR AS CITIZENS APPEARANCE CAMMY.HAS ANYBODY SIGNED UP TO SPEAK? OKAY.
[5. 2026-0221 Consider approval of the April 16, 2026, Planning and Zoning meeting minutes.]
MOVE ON TO ITEM FIVE, THE APPROVAL OF OUR APRIL 16TH MEETING.ANY DISCUSSION BY THE COMMISSION OR IS THERE A MOTION BY THE COMMISSION? I'LL MOVE TO APPROVE THE MINUTES OF OUR LAST SIX APRIL 16TH MEETING.
WE HAVE MOTION BY COMMISSIONER, UH, PATEL.
CAMMY, WOULD YOU CALL THE ROLE? PLEASE, PLEASE RESPOND BY SAYING IRONIZED.
[6. 2026-0224 CONTINUED PUBLIC HEARING: Consider approval of S-1113R3-SF-7, Saint Constantine School, Lot 1, Block A Corp of Episcopal Diocese Dallas, a special use permit revision to increase the allowable maximum enrollment from 100 students to 130 students at the Church of the Apostles located at 322 S. MacArthur Boulevard, at the southeast corner of Starleaf Street and MacArthur Boulevard, at the request of Catharine Clayton of the Saint Constantine School. STAFF REP.: Mary Paron-Boswell]
SIX IS A CONTINUED PUBLIC HEARING ON THE ST.THIS IS TO CONSIDER OUR APPROVAL OF S DASH 1 1 1 3 R THREE DASH SF DASH SEVEN.
ONE BLOCK, A, UH, CORP OF EPISCOPAL, UM, DIOCESE OF DALLAS, A SPECIAL USE PERMIT, UH, REVISING TO INCREASE THE ALLOWABLE MAXIMUM ENROLLMENT FROM 100 STUDENTS TO 130 STUDENTS AT THE CHURCH OF THE APOSTLES.
LOCATED AT 3 22 SOUTH MACARTHUR BOULEVARD AT THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF STARLEAF STREET IN MACARTHUR BOULEVARD.
AT THE REQUEST OF CATHERINE CLAYTON
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OF ST.CONSTANTINE SCHOOL, WE HAVE A STAFF PRESENTATION BY MS. MARY PRONE, BOSWELL MARY.
UM, SO TONIGHT WE'RE LOOKING AT, UH, ST.
CONSTANTINE SCHOOL, WHICH BEGAN OPERATING A PRIVATE CHRISTIAN SCHOOL AT THE CHURCH OF THE APOSTLES LOCATION IN AUGUST OF 2025.
UM, THIS IS THEIR THIRD CAMPUS WITH THE OTHER TWO BEING LOCATED IN HOUSTON AND PITTSBURGH.
THE SCHOOL OFFERS CLASSES FROM PRE-K THREE THROUGH 12TH.
GRADE HOURS ARE MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY, EIGHT TO FOUR, AND THEY'RE LOOKING TO POSSIBLY EXTEND IT TO 5:00 PM FOR AFTERCARE SERVICES IN THE UPCOMING YEAR.
SO ENROLLMENT FOR THE FIRST YEAR HAS 69 STUDENTS FROM 32 FAMILIES FOR THE UPCOMING YEAR.
THEY HAVE RECEIVED 41 APPLICATIONS THUS FAR.
UH, JUST TO NOTE, THE SEP, WHICH WAS APPROVED LAST YEAR, GAVE THEM A LIMIT OF A HUNDRED STUDENTS.
THEY'RE LOOKING TO UP THAT TO 130 STUDENTS FOR THIS, UH, UPCOMING YEAR.
SO NOT ALL STUDENTS ATTEND EVERY DAY.
THEY HAVE 66 STUDENTS THAT COME MONDAY, WEDNESDAY, FRIDAY, AND THEN 39 STUDENTS THAT ATTEND THEIR TUESDAY, THURSDAY, AS WELL AS THREE THAT COME, UH, AS THEY SAY A LA CARTE, UM, DEPENDING ON WHAT IS BEING OFFERED.
SO HERE YOU COULD JUST LOOK AT THE, UH, CLASSROOM LAYOUT.
SO INITIALLY, UH, THE CONCERNS THAT STAFF HAD WAS WITH THE ORIGINAL CASE WERE ADDRESSED BY THIS TRAFFIC STUDY AND CIRCULATION PLAN.
UM, THE PLAN SHOWS THAT THE STACKING INTERNAL TO THE SITE AND NOT FROM STARLEAF DRIVE, THEREFORE WILL NOT CONFLICT WITH RIVER CHASE ELEMENTARY, WHICH, WHICH IS, UH, JUST OFF OF MACARTHUR AND STARLEAF TO THE NORTH.
THEY HAVE A MAXIMUM VEHICULAR QUEUE OF 36 VEHICLES.
THERE WILL BE UP TO THREE VEHICLES LOADING AND UNLOADING AT A TIME, UH, WITH STAFF MEMBERS ABLE TO ASSIST.
SO HERE YOU'RE LOOKING AT, UH, THE PROPERTY IN YELLOW AND THEN THE, UH, RED SHOWING THE QUEUING LINE AND THEN THE GREEN WHEN THEY'RE GOING BACK OUT.
SO SCHOOL HOURS AS WE'RE TALKING, UM, MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY, EIGHT TILL FIVE CLASSES ARE FROM EIGHT TILL THREE 30.
UM, THIS CURRENT YEAR, PICKUP ENDS AT FOUR.
THEY'RE LOOKING AT FOR NEXT YEAR THAT IT MAY RUN TILL FIVE O'CLOCK.
UH, WE ASKED THEM TO TAKE SOME PICTURES, UM, SINCE THEY ARE IN OPERATION, UH, FOR SOME REAL LIFE OBSERVATIONS.
SO WE'RE JUST GONNA KIND OF GO THROUGH THE FOLLOWING SLIDES AND SHOW YOU WHAT'S BEEN HAPPENING.
UM, SO THEY CONDUCTED A CAR LINE SURVEY, UH, WITH THE CAR LINE RANGING FROM TWO TO 17 CARS, ABOUT HALF THE MAXIMUM VEHICULAR QUEUE.
ALL IN ALL STAFF IS IN SUPPORT OF THE REQUEST AND FEELS IT'S A GOOD USE OF THE SPACE.
SO HERE YOU'RE LOOKING AT FROM THREE 30, THERE'S FOUR CARS IN LINE.
A COUPLE MINUTES LATER YOU'VE GOT TWO CARS AGAIN.
UM, I THINK THE HEAVIEST THAT THEY HAD WAS LIKE MAYBE 16, 17 CARS, UM, WHICH DISSIPATES FAIRLY QUICKLY.
SO JUST KIND OF GO BACK HERE FROM 3 36, THEY HAD LIKE 16 CARS.
A COUPLE MINUTES LATER THEY'RE DOWN TO LIKE EIGHT.
UH, WE ASKED THEM FOR SOME PICTURES IN THE MORNING DROP OFF.
UM, SO AS YOU CAN SEE, LIKE THEY START DROP OFF AT LIKE SEVEN 30.
UM, AND THERE'S LIKE MAYBE ONE OR TWO CARS IN THE LINE.
SO THIS IS A ZONING CHANGE REQUEST.
SO STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF S 1113 R THREE DASH SF SEVEN SUBJECT TO THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
THE CHARTER SCHOOL SHALL BE LICENSED AND MAINTAINED IN ACCORDANCE WITH STATE LAW AND MAY PROVIDE INSTRUCTION FOR PRE-K THREE THROUGH 12TH GRADE TWO THAT THE STUDENT ENROLLMENT CAPACITY UNDER THIS SPECIAL USE PERMIT SHALL NOT EXCEED 130 STUDENTS.
SO THAT IS THE END OF MY PRESENTATION.
THE APPLICANT IS HERE AS WELL, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
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IS FOR 130 STUDENTS AND THAT'S BASICALLY FOR ONE YEAR, THE SECOND YEAR, CORRECT? YEAH.AND THEN AT, AT THE END OF THAT SECOND YEAR, WOULD THEY, IF THEY WANTED TO CHANGE IT OR AMEND THAT, THEY'D STILL HAVE TO COME THROUGH THE CITY? CORRECT.
ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF BY THE COMMISSION? OKAY.
IS THE APPLICANT HERE TO PRESENT THE CASE? GOOD EVENING.
CAN WE GET YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD? YES.
2 7 1 7 VISTA BLUFF BOULEVARD, LEWISVILLE, UH, 7 6 0 7 5 0 6 7.
MARY'S DONE A GREAT JOB OF SUMMARIZING.
WE, UM, HAVE FINISHED OUR FIRST YEAR OF OPERATIONS YESTERDAY.
EVERYTHING HAS GONE REALLY WELL AND SMOOTHLY FROM A TRAFFIC STANDPOINT.
WE, AS MARY SAID, OUR MAX CAR LINE IS ABOUT 16 STUDENTS.
WE'VE HAD NO ISSUES WITH, UM, TRAFFIC IN THE AREA BECAUSE OUR START TIME AND END TIME IS OFFSET FROM THE NEARBY SCHOOLS BY 30 MINUTES IN THE MORNING, 45 MINUTES IN THE AFTERNOON.
SO BY THE TIME OUR, UH, FAMILIES ARE COMING, IT, THE, THE STREETS ARE CLEAR.
UM, THIS COMING YEAR, THE WE HAVE ENOUGH INTEREST THAT WE WILL NEED TO ACTIVELY TURN AWAY STUDENTS IF THE, IF THE CAP'S NOT, IF THE CAP REMAINS AT A HUNDRED.
AND SO THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THE REQUEST.
UM, WE REALLY SEE THAT WE CAN SERVE THESE STUDENTS WITHOUT ANY IMPACT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THE AREA, AND IT WILL BE A WIN-WIN FOR THE CITY.
GOOD QUESTION REGARDING, YOU SAID YOUR MAXIMUM Q CURRENTLY IS 1617 VEHICLES.
OUTTA CURIOSITY, WHEN THEY EXIT, WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THEM MAKE THE U-TURN AT STAR LEE VERSUS GOING NORTH ON MACARTHUR? MM.
WE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSION IN THE BACK ABOUT TRAFFIC AND THEN ULTIMATELY, UM, IN, IN THE END, IT, IT CAME BACK TO, WELL, YOU'RE, THE APPLICATION IS REALLY FOR ONE YEAR.
SO DO YOU SEE YOURSELF GETTING A A UP TO 130 STUDENTS THIS COMING YEAR? I DON'T KNOW.
WE, WE PUT THAT BECAUSE IT GIVES US THE YEAH.
I WILL CERTAINLY EXCEED A HUNDRED IF WE'RE PERMITTED TO DO THAT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT BY THE COMMISSION? OKAY.
IS THERE ANYBODY WHO'D LIKE TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THE PROPOSED APPLICATION? OKAY.
SEEING NONE, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
I WILL TAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
I MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
WE HAVE A MOTION BY VICE CHAIR BLANKENSHIP TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
SECOND BY COMMISSIONER HA HAMAN CAM, WOULD YOU CALL THE ROLL? PLEASE? PLEASE RESPOND BY SAYING AYE.
NO, THAT WAS, THAT WAS THE CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING.
SO, DISCUSSION BY THE COMMISSION ON THE, UH, APPLICATION OR ANY, UH, ANY, ANY OTHER FOLLOWING THOUGHTS OR IS THERE A MOTION? UH, YES, MR. CHAIRMAN, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE, UH, S 1 0 1 3 R THREE DASH SF, UH, SEVEN ST.
UH, SUBJECTS TO STAFF CONDITIONS.
OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION BY, UH, COMMISSIONER MAHER, UH, FOR APPROVAL.
SECOND BY COMMISSIONER BLANKENSHIP CAMIE.
WOULD YOU CALL THE ROLE PLEASE RESPOND BY SAYING IRONIZED.
WE HAVE A NEW, A NEW RULE ON CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING WITH A MOTION BY THE COMMISSION.
WE TALKED ABOUT IT BACK THERE AND I STILL TANKED IT.
[7. Update on City Council items.]
ITEM SEVEN ON THE I ON THE AGENDA'S, UH, I UPDATE ON THE CITY COUNCIL ITEMS. WE TALKED ABOUT THAT IN PRE-SESSION.MARY, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD ON THAT? NO, SIR.
ENJOY YOUR MEMORIAL DAY WEEKEND.
ITEM EIGHT IS ADJOURNMENT AND WE'LL DO THAT.