May 21, 2026 Planning & Zoning Commission 2026-05-21 6:00 PM

[1. Call To Order]

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THE TIME IS 6:00. OUR FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS IS TO RECESS INTO WORK SESSION.

[2. Work Session (Open to the Public) a. Discussion of agenda items.]

SO WITH THAT, I'LL GO INTO OUR WORK SESSION. ALRIGHT.

ALRIGHT GUYS. Y'ALL READY? ALRIGHT. ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS THE WORK SESSION.

WE'LL START WITH THE, THE ROLL CALL. I'M THE CHAIR OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, EDMUND HAAS.

LET'S DO THE ROLL CALL HERE. VICE CHAIR SUE BLANKENSHIP PRESENT.

ED MAURER. PRESENT. KENT HAFEMANN.[INAUDIBLE] HAFEMANN.

HE SAID HE CHANGED HIS NAME I'M GOING TO HAVE TO COUNT HIM ABSENT. I DON'T HEAR HIM HERE, YOU KNOW.

AND THAT'LL BE ONE STRIKE. I'M HERE. SAMIT PATEL.

HERE. AND WE'RE MISSING CINDY BISHOP AND JOHN DOBMEIER.

CORRECT. OKAY. VERY GOOD. AND IF YOU WANNA INTRODUCE STAFF AND THEN REVIEW OUR CASES.

OKAY. SO STAFF MYSELF MARY PARON-BOSWELL, SENIOR PLANNER.

THEN WE'VE GOT MR. COLE BAKER, CIVIL ENGINEER [INAUDIBLE].

THERE YOU GO. PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER. MR. BOB HAGER, CITY ATTORNEY.

AND MS. KAMI MCGEE, SECRETARY. SO ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT, WE HAVE ONE ITEM THAT WAS CONTINUED FROM LAST MONTH'S MEETING. AND THIS IS FOR SAINT CONSTANTINE SCHOOL.

SO IT IS IN EXISTENCE. CAME IN LAST YEAR. THEY WERE LOOKING TO GO INTO THE CHURCH ON MACARTHUR.

SO AT THAT TIME THEY WERE LOOKING AT, OR THEY WERE APPROVED FOR 100 STUDENTS TOTAL MAX.

SO THIS IS KIND OF LIKE A TWO YEAR DEAL. SO FOR THIS UPCOMING SECOND YEAR, THEY ARE REQUESTING THAT THAT TOTAL OF 100 STUDENTS BE BUMPED UP TO 130. I GUESS THE, THE REASON BEING THAT THEY DON'T HAVE 100 A RIGHT NOW, THEY HAVE LIKE, I THINK 69 FAMILIES OR 69 KIDS, 32 FAMILIES.

AND OF THOSE 69 KIDS, THEY'RE NOT THERE ALL THE TIME.

SO THE SUMMER THERE, LIKE MONDAY, WEDNESDAY, FRIDAY AND SOME OF THEIR TUESDAY, THURSDAY.

AND THEN I THINK THERE'S LIKE THREE THAT COME KIND OF A LA CARTE WHENEVER THEY WANT TO GO.

SO THEIR, THEIR THINKING IS THAT IF IT WAS 130 KIDS TOTAL, YOU STILL WOULDN'T HAVE 100 KIDS THERE AT ANY ONE TIME, IS WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT.

SO SINCE WE I THINK THE BIG ISSUE LAST YEAR WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT IT WAS, HEY, ARE THEY GOING TO START BACKING UP ONTO THE STREET OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? SO NOW WE HAVE SOME REAL LIFE RESULTS BECAUSE THEY'RE ACTUALLY THERE.

AND SO SOME OF THE PICTURES THAT I'M GOING TO SHOW YOU THAT WERE IN YOUR PACKET BASICALLY SHOW THAT THE BIGGEST LINEUP WAS LIKE 17 CARS WHEN THEY HAVE A QUEUING OF 36.

SO NOT EVEN LIKE SO ROUGHLY ABOUT HALF, NOT EVEN HALF OF THEIR QUEUING WAS TAKEN UP.

AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE PROGRESSION, BECAUSE THEY TOOK SOME PICTURES LIKE WITHIN A COUPLE OF MINUTES, LIKE THOSE PEOPLE ARE GONE. RIGHT. SO IT'S PRETTY QUICK IN AND OUT.

THIS COMING YEAR, THEY'RE LOOKING ALSO AT MAYBE EXTENDING HOURS FOR LIKE AFTER SCHOOL CARE.

SO I THINK RIGHT NOW THEY END AT LIKE 3:30 SO LAST PICKUP BY FOUR.

I THINK THIS UPCOMING YEAR, THEY'RE LOOKING AT MAYBE 5:00 TO BE LIKE THE LAST END OF THE DAY KIND OF DEAL.

IT'S REALLY PRETTY MUCH IT. MARY. [INAUDIBLE] FROM MEMORY, I CAN'T REMEMBER.

THEY COMMIT TO THAT SPLIT CLASS SCHEDULE. IS THAT A CONDITION THAT THEY HAVE A SPLIT SCHEDULE? I'M NOT SURE IF IT'S A CONDITION, BUT THAT'S HOW THEY OPERATE THEIR SCHOOLS.

RIGHT? IT IS AN SUP SO YOU COULD ADD THAT AS A CONDITION SPLIT.

KEEP THEM FROM BEING WORSE PROBLEM. BUT ISN'T THAT A STATE ISSUE.

FOR SCHOOL OPERATION YOU KNOW THAT THAT NUMBER I DON'T KNOW.

I MEAN THEY, THEY HAVE TO HAVE ENOUGH TEACHERS AND THEY HAVE TO HAVE ENOUGH RATIO.

THE RATIO. YEAH. SO IS HE ACCREDITED IS NOT A ZONING ISSUE.

ISN'T THAT A. WELL, ALL I'M SAYING IS, IS IF THEY'RE COMMITTED TO DOING THAT AND THEY CAN KEEP THEIR ACCREDITATION.

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RIGHT.

YEAH. IF THEY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE STATE SOMEBODY.

IT'S A DIFFERENT ISSUE. THAT'S REALLY A DIFFERENT ISSUE. BUT THAT WAS GOING TO BE MY QUESTION WAS, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY DOUBLE THE QUEUE, 34, DOUBLING THE STUDENTS MORE OR LESS.

RIGHT. WHAT WHAT WHAT STICK WOULD WE HAVE IF WE NEED TO.

SO I KIND OF LIKE THE, THE. SO THEY TALKED ABOUT THE SPLIT SCHEDULE BEFORE? YEAH. THEY DID WHEN THEY WERE HERE LAST TIME. OKAY.

YEAH. BECAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S JUST HOW THEY OPERATE.

SO SO THE CONDITION MAINTAIN THE SPLIT SCHEDULE GOING FORWARD.

AND IF THERE'S A CHANGE THEY, THEY NEED. THERE'S AN ACCREDITATION PROBLEM.

THEY NEED TO NOTIFY US AND WE CAN ADDRESS IT.

SO SO IF YOU SAY HOW DO YOU QUALIFY A SPLIT SCHEDULE.

THAT CAN BE ONE KID. HOW DO YOU. WELL, I WOULD ASK HER BECAUSE SHE'S THE ONE THAT BROUGHT IT UP.

SHE'S THE ONE THAT'S PROMOTED THAT. YOU KNOW, BUT JUST FOR THE TRAFFIC PURPOSES, IF YOU JUST SAY SPLIT SCHEDULE, I CAN TELL US HOW THAT WORKS. IS IT K THROUGH FOUR THAT HAVE THE MONDAY, WEDNESDAY, FRIDAY AND THE OLDER KIDS THURSDAY? I JUST HAVE HER EXPLAIN IT. OKAY, I'LL MAKE SOME NOTES.

AND IF THEY'RE THEY CONSENT TO THAT AND COMMIT TO THAT, THEN I'LL MAKE SURE WE'RE GOING TO WRITE THE ORDINANCE THAT IT'S IN THERE.

OKAY. THE I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. DID THE WHAT WHAT ASSUMPTION DID THE TRAFFIC STUDY TAKE? IT WASN'T STUDY. IT WASN'T. OH, OKAY. IT'S JUST WE DID LIKE A QUEUING ANALYSIS AND THEY CAN QUEUE LIKE 32ND QUEUE IS 36 CARS.

THAT'S JUST BY. OKAY. PLUS THEY HAVE PARKING ON SITE.

PARKING. BECAUSE I WOULD THINK THAT I GUESS I, I ASSUME THERE WAS A STUDY.

IF THERE'S A STUDY, WE JUST HAVE TO TAKE THE ASSUMPTION THAT 100 KIDS ARE COMING IN THE MORNING AND LEAVING IT IN THE AFTERNOON AS THEIR WORST CASE SCENARIO.

RIGHT. AND THIS YEAR, I THINK THEY HAD 60, 66 OR 69, LIKE THEY DIDN'T MEET THAT THRESHOLD, BUT I GUESS THEY ALREADY HAVE PEOPLE LIKE SIGNING UP FOR NEXT YEAR.

SO THEY JUST WANT TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY THAT IF THEY GET, YOU KNOW, 110 KIDS THAT THEY CAN'T SAY THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TO SAY NO, THEY'VE EXPANDED THEIR PICKUP WINDOW. IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

THEY, THEY, THEY. SO THE PICKUP, THE MORNING IS GOING TO BE THE SAME, BUT THE EVENING PICKUP, BECAUSE IF THEY OFFER SOME KIND OF AFTER SCHOOL CARE, THERE WAS SOME CONCERN ABOUT THE CONFLICT WITH.

THEY DON'T THEY DON'T THEY DON'T HAVE THE SAME TIME FRAMES AS THE OTHER SCHOOL.

MAYBE STERLING BACKED UP OR SOMETHING? NO. OKAY.

YEAH. BECAUSE, WELL, PARENTS QUEUE UP FOR PICKUP.

YEAH. AS OPPOSED TO DROP OFF. DROP OFF IS AS YOU GET THERE, RIGHT? YEAH. BUT THEY QUEUE UP FOR PICKUP. AND IF THEY HAVE A LARGER WINDOW TO PICK UP FROM, THERE'S LESS URGENCY FOR THE PARENT TO PICK UP RIGHT AT 3 OR 2:30 OR WHATEVER IT IS. WELL, YOU'LL JUST BE PAYING FOR THAT SERVICE.

SPECIFICALLY CALLING OUT TRAFFIC? SO IF THEY HAVE EXTRA ROOM IN THEIR QUEUE, THEN THEY COULD POTENTIALLY ACCOMMODATE 130 WITHOUT IT BEING A PROBLEM.

EVEN NOT DOING A SPLIT SCHEDULE. THEY BROUGHT IT UP, I DID.

THAT'S SHE, SHE OFFERED THAT WE DO SPLIT SCHEDULING SO THAT CERTAIN KIDS COME ON CERTAIN DAYS AT CERTAIN TIMES, AND OTHER KIDS COME AT OTHER TIMES, IT'S ON OTHER DAYS.

AND THEREFORE WE'RE NEVER GOING TO HAVE A QUEUING PROBLEM.

RIGHT. SO THEY HAVE MONDAY, WEDNESDAY, FRIDAY. FULL DAY ATTENDEES 66.

TUESDAY, THURSDAY, FULL TIME, FULL DAY ATTENDEES 39.

SO THEY WOULD ALSO HAVE STUDENTS THAT COME KIND OF A LA CARTE, LIKE MAYBE THEY MIGHT JUST GO FOR THE MORNING, OR MAYBE THEY JUST GO FOR A CERTAIN CLASS IN THE AFTERNOON.

SO IT'S NOT LIKE WE HAVE 100 KIDS OR 130 KIDS THAT COME EVERY DAY, ALL DAY.

RIGHT. BECAUSE IF THEY IF THAT'S 130 CARS, THEY DON'T HAVE THAT BACKS UP ONTO THE CAR.

WELL, AND THE MAJORITY OF THEM ARE LIKE 2 OR 3 KIDS.

YEAH. RIGHT. SO I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT WE CAN'T MAKE THAT ASSUMPTION.

RIGHT. IT'S NO DIFFERENT THAN THE WALMART PARKING LOT.

THEY HAVE TO ASSUME THAT ONE CUSTOMER, ONE CAR.

YEAH. AND SO WE HAVE TO BE OKAY WITH IF THEY DO HAVE MORE THAN 35 CARS COMING AT ONE TIME,

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I DON'T KNOW IF HE CAN DO THE MATH LIKE THAT BECAUSE THINK ABOUT THINK ABOUT SOME OF THE OTHER SCHOOLS WE'VE LOOKED AT. ONE, THERE'S THERE'S, YOU KNOW, TRAFFIC PROBLEMS, PROBABLY ALL OF THEM.

BUT LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, LIKE LAKESIDE, WHERE WAS WE'RE TAKING IT UP TO 600 AND THEY DON'T HAVE ROOM FOR A 600 CAR STACK, RIGHT. SO I THINK JUST BECAUSE IT'S 130, IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE 130 CARS.

SO. BECAUSE PEOPLE MAKE ADJUSTMENTS. YEAH. AND NOBODY ARRIVES AT THE EXACT SAME TIME AND SO FORTH.

SO AND I MEAN, I AGREE, AND I CAN ASSUME THAT BECAUSE THIS IS A MORE INTIMATE.

YEAH. FACILITY, THEY ARE GIVING MORE FLEXIBILITY TO THEIR PARENTS.

YOU KNOW, I LIVE RIGHT BEHIND WILSON AND BOTH SIDES OF SOUTH COPPELL ROAD.

THERE'S A LONG LINE AND IT'S INSIDE MY NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE MANY OF THE PARENTS WAIT IN THE BACK ENTRANCE.

YEAH. SO BECAUSE THEY ALL WANT TO QUEUE UP, BECAUSE THEY ONLY HAVE A SHORT WINDOW TO PICK UP TO.

I AGREE. YEAH. SO IF WE CONDITION IT ON TRAFFIC, IT'S GOING TO BE BASED ON OBSERVATION OR SOMEONE COMPLAINING.

AND WHAT THEY WILL PROBABLY SAY IF WE DO AFTER SCHOOL, INSTEAD OF PARENTS PICKING UP AT THREE, THEY'RE GOING TO PICK UP AFTER SCHOOL AT FOUR.

SO THAT WILL TAKE AWAY SOME OF THE IT'LL DRIVE.

YEAH. NO ONE WILL PROBABLY BRING THEIR CHILD THERE FOR ITS CURRENT STUDENTS THAT WILL STAY ON CAMPUS.

YEAH, THAT'S MY ONLY CONCERN IS LIKE CONDITIONING, SOMETHING THAT'S SORT OF INDIRECT WHERE THEY MAINTAIN A SPLIT SCHEDULE, BUT THEN TRAFFIC IS STILL A PROBLEM. YOU KNOW, LIKE YOU MAY NOT, YOU MAY STILL HAVE A PROBLEM. AND SO AND THEN TWO, LIKE PHILOSOPHICALLY, I DON'T NECESSARILY LIKE CONDITIONING AN OPERATION WHERE LIKE, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT REALLY SOLVING NECESSARILY SOLVING ANYTHING OR TRYING TO COME UP WITH A.

I MEAN, IT DOES. WELL, YEAH, I MEAN, IT DOES IN TERMS OF LIKE, IF IF THEY AGREE TO IT, THEN I THINK THAT SEEMS REASONABLE TO SAY, OKAY, IT'S GOING TO BE SIMILAR, BUT IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE IT'S BEEN A PROBLEM.

YEAH. I JUST DON'T KNOW HOW YOU WOULD WORD SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

AND THEN HOW ARE YOU GOING. HOW ARE YOU? HOW ARE YOU? LIKE, ARE WE SUPPOSED TO GO OUT THERE AND LIKE, IT WOULD BE SIMPLISTIC, SOMETHING SIMPLE THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT THIS IS ENABLES 130 KIDS. YEAH.

WHICH IS PROBABLY BE ABOUT 34 CARS. BUT IF THERE'S QUEUING THAT STARTS TO ACCUMULATE OUT INTO THE MACARTHUR.

AND IT'S GOING TO BE AND THERE'S A COMPLAINT ON IT.

BUT THEN THAT'S WHERE WE CAN SAY, WELL, WE COULD INSTITUTE ZONING AND REVOKE THE SUP.

[INAUDIBLE] NO WE WOULDN'T WE DO THAT. NO. BUT THEN WE WOULD BRING THEM BACK.

AND NOW WE GOT TO HAVE A REMEDY BECAUSE NOW WE HAVE A PROBLEM. WAS IT PART OF THE ORIGINAL SUP.

[INAUDIBLE] WHAT'S THAT? THE COUNT, THE SPLIT OR THE SPLIT OR ANY ANY CONDITION? NO, BECAUSE THEY WERE STARTING OUT AND THEY REALLY DIDN'T EXPECT TO BE WHERE THEY ARE NOW.

BUT NOW THE VOUCHER THING, I THINK SOME OF THESE PRIVATE SCHOOLS OR HAVE ANOTHER FUNDING SOURCE.

AND SO THEY EXPAND FOR SURE. NOW THIS, WE SUNSET IT.

IT'S WELL TWO YEARS I BELIEVE. I DON'T KNOW IF WE PUT THAT IN THE ORDINANCE, BUT IT WAS ONLY FOR TWO YEARS THAT THEY WERE LOOKING TO DO IT FOR TWO YEARS.

BUT I MEAN TO YOUR POINT, IF THE IF THEY'RE AGREEING TO THE SPLIT SCHEDULE AND THAT'S THE WAY THAT THEY OPERATE, THAT ACTUALLY THAT WOULD ACTUALLY MITIGATE THE PROBLEM.

IF THAT ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, IT OPERATES LIKE IT'S OPERATING.

I DON'T KNOW IF THEY GIVE. AND I THINK PART OF IT IS THE SPACE PROBLEM TOO, BECAUSE THE CHURCH ISN'T VERY BIG, IS THERE, THE CHURCH OF THE APOSTLES. YEAH. AND SO THEY MAY NEED TO SPLIT IT UP BECAUSE THEY CAN ONLY ACCOMMODATE SO MANY CHILDREN.

AND NOW YOU'VE GOT ACCREDITATION ISSUES THAT YOU MENTIONED EARLIER.

SO I THINK THEY HAVE ENOUGH SPACE FOR THE KIDS.

WELL, YOU DON'T HAVE ANY REAL CONDITIONS ON THIS IN YOUR RECOMMENDATION.

YEAH. I LIKE THE FACT THAT LET'S JUST LET THEM MANAGE IT.

AND IF THERE'S A COMPLAINT, LET'S DEAL WITH IT.

THEN WE NEED TO COME TO A PROBLEM. I'M FINE. YEAH, I'M JUST TRYING TO AVOID A PROBLEM.

SO WHAT WAS THE. WHY WON'T. SORRY ABOUT THAT.

WHY WON'T WE ALLOW THEM TO USE THE BACK ENTRANCE? WHAT WAS THAT? THAT'S THE CITY LOT VERSUS THE SITE.[INAUDIBLE] BACK TO THE CITY, RIGHT? YEAH. CITY. CITY OWNS IT. YEAH. SO WE DIDN'T WANT PEOPLE COMING IN FROM TWO DIRECTIONS.

AND. BUT LET'S JUST SAY A QUEUING PROBLEM. ALL OF A SUDDEN POPS UP 130 KIDS.

AND YOU KNOW, THE LINK BETWEEN CARS. AND EVERY NOW AND THEN THERE'S A CAR STICKING OUT AND IT BECOMES A PROBLEM.

WHAT IS IT GOING TO BE SOME OF THE SOLUTIONS? WELL, WHY DON'T WE ALLOW PARKING FOLKS TO COME IN FROM THE BACK? THAT WILL HELP AT LEAST PROVIDE

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THERE'S A LIMITATION. WHEN WE BOUGHT THAT PROPERTY, WE PUT A LIMITATION ON THE CHURCH'S USE OF THAT PARKING LOT.

THEY GET TO USE IT ON THEY'RE A TENANT OF THE CHURCH. SO I WOULD COUNT THAT AS THE CHURCH IS PROVIDING FOR A USE THAT VIOLATES THAT CONDITION.

YEAH, BUT WHY DID I DO THAT, BOB? WHY? BECAUSE WE WANTED ACCESS TO THE PARK.

IF IT'S FULL OF CHURCH PEOPLE, THEN THE CITIZENS CAN'T GO TO THE DOG PARK.

THEY CAN'T PLAY AT THE SHEEHAN CENTER AND BASEBALL, BASEBALL, AND WHATEVER'S GOING ON.

I HAVEN'T BEEN OVER THERE. IT OPENED UP, DIDN'T IT? YEAH, IT LOOKS REALLY NICE.

THAT PARKING LOT IS NEVER FULL. I'VE NEVER SEEN A FULL. WELL, IT'S NICE THAT'S IN [INAUDIBLE] OH, SHE AND FAMILY. OKAY. SOME POOCHES PARK. YEAH.

I LIVE RIGHT UP THE STREET FROM THAT. WELL, WE'LL PARK AT YOUR HOUSE THEN.

ALL RIGHT. SETTLE DOWN. SIR. YOU KNOW YOU'RE HERE.

YOU DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO BE HERE. THANK YOU.

PLEASE. SO, BOB, YOU CAN EVEN. YOU CAN. THERE WERE SOME RESTRICTIONS ABOUT THE CHURCH'S USE OF THAT PARKING LOT WHEN WE NEGOTIATED.

FOR PARKING, THOUGH. IT WASN'T FOR ACCESS, WAS IT? BECAUSE IT'S PUBLIC ACCESS, RIGHT? YEAH. I'M NOT GOING TO GO OUT THERE AND TELL THEM THEY CAN'T SIT THERE AND WAIT ON THEIR KIDS.

BUT BUT YOU'RE SAYING THEY CAN'T EVEN THEY CAN'T EVEN ACCESS IT THROUGH THERE.

THEY'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO USE IT FOR PARKING. THEY PUT PYLONS IT'S A PUBLIC FACILITY. SO THEY CAN USE IT FOR ACCESS.

YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. SO THEY RIGHT NOW THEY PUT PYLONS UP.

AND THEY [INAUDIBLE] YOU KNOW. OH, OKAY. HAVE PEOPLE COME IN THROUGH MACARTHUR COME IN AND EXIT THAT WAY? YEAH. I THINK THE BUT YOU COULD USE THE PUBLIC ACCESS TO ACCESS THE PARKING.

WELL, YOU COULD PROBABLY PARK AND THEN WALK OVER AND GET YOUR KID. I'M SURE.

YEAH. IT'S JUST BECAUSE THE OTHER SCHOOLS UP HERE, THE PEOPLE THAT USE AND THEY DON'T WANT TO INTERFERE WITH THE TRAFFIC.

RIGHT. THAT'S THAT'S THE PROBLEM IS IN ORDER TO ENTER FROM THAT PARKING LOT, YOU'VE GOT TO COME FROM [INAUDIBLE].

YEAH. AND IF THE TIMING ALIGNS WITH THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL NOW WE'VE GOT A LOT OF CONFLICT.

RIGHT. IT GENERALLY DOESN'T. YEAH. SO, YOU KNOW.

YEAH. WELL, THAT IS TRUE TOO. I MEAN, I'M SURE SOME OF THE PEOPLE DO PARK AND WALK IN.

SO IF IT'S A PROBLEM. YEAH. THEY'RE NOT GOING TO GET FULL IN ONE YEAR PROBABLY.

I THOUGHT IT WAS AN ISSUE. WELL THIS. WEEK THEY'VE HAD ONE YEAR.

SO WE'RE LOOKING FOR ONE MORE YEAR, ONE MORE YEAR BECAUSE THEY THOUGHT THAT THEY WOULD ONLY FOR THE SECOND YEAR BECAUSE THEY WOULD NEED THEIR OWN FACILITY.

OH. GOT IT. OKAY. SO THIS IS ALL HEALTHY DISCUSSION.

BUT IF IT'S ONLY ONE YEAR THEY PROBABLY WON'T.

SO STICK WITH US. YEAH. YEAH I AGREE WITH THAT.

YOU'VE GOT A FANTASTIC STAFF REPORT HERE. IT'S PERFECT.

I JUST COPIED IT FROM ACTUALLY, WE'RE ALL DOING THIS ALL IN TIME. YEAH.

THIS IS THE DRAWBACK ABOUT BEING THE ONLY AGENDA ITEM.

THAT'S RIGHT. LOTS OF QUESTIONS. LOTS OF QUESTIONS.

EXACTLY. WHY ARE YOU. NO. IT'S GOOD, IT'S GOOD.

IT'S GOOD. LET'S TALK ABOUT MARRIOTT. THE QUESTION THAT KIND OF IS NOT RELATED TO THIS.

IF I COULD ASK IT, WHAT IS THE CITY DOING WITH THAT VACANT LAND ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE PARK NEXT TO THE SCHOOL? PARK? SCHOOL? WHICH LAND? THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.

THE PARCEL THAT IS ADJACENT TO THAT FACING THE ALLEY.

YEAH. SO THAT'S PART OF THE CHURCH SIDE. THE OTHER END OF THE CHURCH SIDE.

YEAH. ISN'T THAT PART OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH? YEAH, THAT WAS FOR THE BY THE CITY. SOUTH. WHICH ONE ARE YOU TALKING? THE ONE ON THE CHURCH SIDE OR THE OTHER? YEAH.

NORTH SIDE OF STARWOOD. EAST SIDE OF THE. I NEED A PICTURE.

YEAH, THERE'S THE THE ROAD WRAPS AROUND HERE.

THE OLD FOLKS ON THE YEAH. THIS RIGHT HERE. OH I THINK IT'S THE CHURCHES.

I DON'T THINK IT'S. OH, IT'S SOFT BASEBALL FIELDS.

OH, THIS ONE NORTHEAST FROM THE SCHOOL. FROM THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.

NORTH EAST EXTENSION OF THE THAT ONE. OH, THAT KIND OF THE TRIANGLE. TRIANGLE.

YEAH. OKAY. I HAVE NO IDEA. I FORGOT WHO TOLD ME THIS.

BUT THAT'S ONE OF YOUR STAFF THAT'S OWNED BY THE CITY.

BY THE CITY. OH, WOW. I THOUGHT IT WAS OWNED BY THE CHURCH.

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I REALLY DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT SELLING. THAT'S A GREAT PARCEL REVENUE.

I DON'T KNOW. I CAN LOOK INTO IT. CALL YOUR. CALL YOUR COUNCIL.

OKAY. I KNOW THIS ONE THING. I'LL SAY THAT. OKAY.

SO WE WENT TO COUNCIL ON THE 28TH OF APRIL.

SO WE HAD A FEW ITEMS THAT WENT. ONE WAS SAMARITAN'S PURSE.

SO THE ORDINANCE GOT APPROVED. ALSO ON THE 28TH WE HAD THE CONCRETE BATCH PLANT THAT WAS OUT OFF OF BELTLINE.

SO THAT WAS NOT APPROVED. AND THEN WE ALSO HAD THE SHOPS AT SANDY LAKE RIGHT THERE, SANDY LAKE AND DOWNTOWN.

AND THAT WAS NOT APPROVED EITHER. REALLY? YEAH.

BECAUSE THE MOTION FAILED. THE MOTION FAILED.

IT WAS LIKE A THREE, THREE, THREE THREE. YEAH.

MOTION.

RIGHT. THEY'RE GOING TO GET WHAT THEY ASKED FOR.

THE PREVIOUS PLAN. THIS ONE I THOUGHT WAS BETTER.

I THOUGHT I THOUGHT THE [INAUDIBLE] DESIGN. THE NEIGHBORS DID NOT.

THEY THEY DON'T THEY DIDN'T THINK IT WAS A BETTER PLAN.

YEAH. THEY JUST DON'T WANT IT. THEY JUST DON'T WANT IT.

THEY THEY DON'T WANT IT. AND THEN THEY HAVE TOOK EXCEPTION TO THE FOOD ESTABLISHMENT.

YEAH. BUT IT'S STILL IT'S GOING BACK TO THE ORIGINAL ESTABLISHMENT.

SO WHY DID HE NEED TO. I THINK HE NEEDED A DID HE NEED A SUPERMAJORITY BECAUSE IT WAS DEADLOCKED.

IT DID NOT. THE PLANT, THE PLANT NEEDED THE SUPERMAJORITY WAS THAT THE BATCH PLANT NEEDED A SUPERMAJORITY.

OH, OKAY. I THINK YOU GUYS HAD APPROVED THE SHOPS.

YEAH. BUT IT WHEN IT WENT TO COUNCIL THERE WAS SIX THERE.

THEY ONLY HAD SIX THERE AND IT WAS A THREE THREE VOTE.

AND THE OKAY. YEAH. SO HE HAD TO AND THERE WAS A ONE MEMBER ABSENT.

SO, SO THREE, THREE DENIAL. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.

IT'S NOT APPROVED BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE A MAJORITY.

MAJORITY DON'T FOLLOW. THAT ONE'S A HEAD SCRATCHER.

WOW. SO WE'LL SEE. ANY ANYTHING ELSE ANY UPCOMING CASES OR ANYTHING ELSE WE NEED TO KNOW ABOUT.

NO. ARE WE GOING TO BE BUSY NEXT MONTH? WE WILL PROBABLY NOT BE BUSY NEXT MONTH.

OKAY. WHEN IS THIS MIDDLE DATE FOR JULY? ISN'T THAT WHEN YOU'RE HIKING? FOR JULY? [INAUDIBLE] JUNE WAS OH, THAT'D BE AWESOME. YEAH, I THINK WE GOT ONE THING, BUT WE'LL PROBABLY DO IT.

I THINK IT'S ADMINISTRATIVELY. OH, SO WE MAY NOT HAVE A MEETING. WE MAY NOT HAVE A MEETING, YEAH. GOT IT. WE'RE IN OUR FINAL WEEKS OF TRAINING.

WE'VE BEEN SO GOOD. YEAH. YEP. OKAY, GUYS. SO WE'LL ADJOURN.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF STAFF DURING THE WORKSHOP AT 6:24.

OKAY. THE TIME IS 6:30 AND WE'LL RECONVENE INTO OUR GENERAL SESSION.

[3. Regular Session (Open to the Public)]

[4. Citizens Appearance]

[5. 2026-0221 Consider approval of the April 16, 2026, Planning and Zoning meeting minutes.]

IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER MAURER.

KAMI WOULD YOU CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE? PLEASE RESPOND BY SAYING AYE AS I CALL YOUR NAME.

COMMISSIONER PATEL. AYE. VICE CHAIR BLANKENSHIP.

AYE. CHAIRMAN HAAS. AYE. COMMISSIONER MAURER.

AYE. COMMISSIONER HAFEMANN. AYE. ALL APPROVED NONE OPPOSED.

MOTION CARRIES. OKAY. ITEM SIX IS A CONTINUED PUBLIC HEARING ON THE SAINT CONSTANTINE SUP REVISION.

[6. 2026-0224 CONTINUED PUBLIC HEARING: Consider approval of S-1113R3-SF-7, Saint Constantine School, Lot 1, Block A Corp of Episcopal Diocese Dallas, a special use permit revision to increase the allowable maximum enrollment from 100 students to 130 students at the Church of the Apostles located at 322 S. MacArthur Boulevard, at the southeast corner of Starleaf Street and MacArthur Boulevard, at the request of Catharine Clayton of the Saint Constantine School. STAFF REP.: Mary Paron-Boswell]

THAT BEING THE SAINT CONSTANTINE SCHOOL, LOT ONE, BLOCK A CORP OF EPISCOPAL DIOCESE OF DALLAS.

A SPECIAL USE PERMIT REVISING TO INCREASE THE ALLOWABLE MAXIMUM ENROLLMENT FROM 100 STUDENTS TO 130 STUDENTS AT THE CHURCH OF THE APOSTLES, LOCATED AT 322 SOUTH MACARTHUR BOULEVARD AT THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF STARLEAF STREET AND MACARTHUR BOULEVARD, AT THE REQUEST OF CATHARINE CLAYTON OF SAINT CONSTANTINE SCHOOL.

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MARY. GOOD EVENING CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS. SO TONIGHT WE'RE LOOKING AT SAINT CONSTANTINE SCHOOL, WHICH BEGAN OPERATING A PRIVATE CHRISTIAN SCHOOL AT THE CHURCH OF THE APOSTLES LOCATION IN AUGUST OF 2025. THIS IS THEIR THIRD CAMPUS, WITH THE OTHER TWO BEING LOCATED IN HOUSTON AND PITTSBURGH.

THE SCHOOL OFFERS CLASSES FROM PRE-K THREE THROUGH 12TH GRADE.

HOURS ARE MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY, 8 TO 4, AND THEY'RE LOOKING TO POSSIBLY EXTEND IT TO 5 P.M.

FOR AFTERCARE SERVICES IN THE UPCOMING YEAR. SO ENROLLMENT FOR THE FIRST YEAR HAS 69 STUDENTS FROM 32 FAMILIES.

FOR THE UPCOMING YEAR, THEY HAVE RECEIVED 41 APPLICATIONS THUS FAR.

JUST TO NOTE, THE SUP, WHICH WAS APPROVED LAST YEAR, GAVE THEM A LIMIT OF 100 STUDENTS.

THEY'RE LOOKING TO UP THAT TO 130 STUDENTS FOR THIS UPCOMING YEAR.

SO NOT ALL STUDENTS ATTEND EVERY DAY. THEY HAVE 66 STUDENTS THAT COME MONDAY, WEDNESDAY, FRIDAY, AND THEN 39 STUDENTS THAT ATTEND THEIR TUESDAY THURSDAY, AS WELL AS THREE THAT COME AS THEY SAY, A LA CARTE DEPENDING ON WHAT IS BEING OFFERED.

SO HERE YOU CAN JUST LOOK AT THE CLASSROOM LAYOUT.

SO INITIALLY THE CONCERNS THAT STAFF HAD WAS WITH THE ORIGINAL CASE WERE ADDRESSED BY THIS TRAFFIC STUDY AND CIRCULATION PLAN.

THE PLAN SHOWS THAT STACKING INTERNAL TO THE SITE AND NOT FROM STARLEAF DRIVE, THEREFORE WILL NOT CONFLICT WITH RIVERCHASE ELEMENTARY, WHICH IS JUST OFF OF MACARTHUR AND STAR LEAF TO THE NORTH.

THEY HAVE A MAXIMUM VEHICULAR QUEUE OF 36 VEHICLES.

THERE WILL BE UP TO THREE VEHICLES LOADING AND UNLOADING AT A TIME, WITH STAFF MEMBERS ABLE TO ASSIST.

SO HERE YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE PROPERTY IN YELLOW AND THEN THE RED SHOWING THE QUEUING LINE AND THEN THE GREEN WHEN THEY'RE GOING BACK OUT.

SO SCHOOL HOURS AS WE'RE TALKING MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY 8 TO 5.

CLASSES ARE FROM EIGHT TILL 3:30. DROP OFF BEGINS AT 7:30.

THIS CURRENT YEAR PICKUP ENDS AT FOUR. THEY'RE LOOKING AT FOR NEXT YEAR THAT IT MAY RUN TILL 5:00.

WE ASKED THEM TO TAKE SOME PICTURES. SINCE THEY ARE IN OPERATION FOR SOME REAL LIFE OBSERVATIONS.

SO WE'RE JUST GOING TO KIND OF GO THROUGH THE FOLLOWING SLIDES AND SHOW YOU WHAT'S BEEN HAPPENING.

SO THEY CONDUCTED A CAR LINE SURVEY WITH THE CAR LINE RANGING FROM 2 TO 17 CARS, ABOUT HALF THE MAXIMUM VEHICULAR QUEUE.

ALL IN ALL, STAFF IS IN SUPPORT OF THE REQUEST AND FEELS IT'S A GOOD USE OF THE SPACE.

SO HERE YOU'RE LOOKING AT FROM 3:30 THERE'S FOUR CARS IN LINE.

A COUPLE OF MINUTES LATER YOU'VE GOT TWO CARS AGAIN.

I THINK THE HEAVIEST THAT THEY HAD WAS LIKE MAYBE 16, 17 CARS WHICH DISSIPATES FAIRLY QUICKLY.

SO JUST KIND OF GO BACK HERE FROM 3:36. THEY HAD LIKE 16 CARS.

COUPLE MINUTES LATER THEY'RE DOWN TO LIKE EIGHT.

IT'S THE SAME KIND OF THING. 12. THEY HAD 17.

WE ASKED THEM FOR SOME PICTURES IN THE MORNING DROP OFF.

SO AS YOU CAN SEE, LIKE THEY START DROP OFF AT LIKE 7:30.

AND THERE'S LIKE MAYBE 1 OR 2 CARS IN THE LINE.

SO THIS IS A ZONING CHANGE REQUEST. SO WE DID MAIL OUT NOTICES 14 WITHIN 200FT, ANOTHER 146 WITHIN 800FT.

WE RECEIVED NO RESPONSES. SO STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF S-1113R3-SF7, SUBJECT TO THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.

THE CHARTER SCHOOL SHALL BE LICENSED AND MAINTAINED IN ACCORDANCE WITH STATE LAW AND MAY PROVIDE INSTRUCTION FOR PRE-K THREE THROUGH 12TH GRADE.

TWO THAT THE STUDENT ENROLLMENT CAPACITY UNDER THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT SHALL NOT EXCEED 130 STUDENTS.

SO THAT IS THE END OF MY PRESENTATION. THE APPLICANT IS HERE AS WELL, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MARY, QUICK QUESTION FOR YOU. SO THE APPLICATION IS FOR 130 STUDENTS.

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OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF BY THE COMMISSION? OKAY. IS THE APPLICANT HERE TO PRESENT THE CASE? GOOD EVENING. CAN WE GET YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD? YES. CATHARINE CLAYTON, 2717 VISTA BLUFF BOULEVARD, LEWISVILLE, 760, 75067. SORRY, I WRITE IT. I NEVER SAY IT.

THANK YOU ALL. MARY'S DONE A GREAT JOB OF SUMMARIZING.

WE HAVE FINISHED OUR FIRST YEAR OF OPERATIONS YESTERDAY AND WE HAD 69 STUDENTS.

EVERYTHING HAS GONE REALLY WELL AND SMOOTHLY FROM A TRAFFIC STANDPOINT AND ALSO VERY SMOOTH.

WE AS MARY SAID, OUR MAX CAR LINE IS ABOUT 16 STUDENTS.

IT MOVES VERY QUICKLY. WE'VE HAD NO ISSUES WITH TRAFFIC IN THE AREA BECAUSE OUR START TIME AND END TIME IS OFFSET FROM THE NEARBY SCHOOLS BY 30 MINUTES IN THE MORNING, 45 MINUTES IN THE AFTERNOON. SO BY THE TIME OUR FAMILIES ARE COMING, THE STREETS ARE CLEAR.

THIS COMING YEAR, THE WE HAVE ENOUGH INTEREST THAT WE WILL NEED TO ACTIVELY TURN AWAY STUDENTS.

IF THE IF THE CAPS NOT IF THE CAPS REMAINS AT 100.

AND SO THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THE REQUEST. WE REALLY SEE THAT WE CAN SERVE THESE STUDENTS WITHOUT ANY IMPACT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THE AREA. AND IT WILL BE A WIN WIN FOR THE CITY.

I'M HAPPY TO TAKE QUESTIONS. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

GOOD QUESTION. REGARDING YOU SAID YOUR MAXIMUM QUEUE CURRENTLY IS 16-17 VEHICLES.

OUT OF CURIOSITY, WHEN THEY EXIT, WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THEM MAKE THE U-TURN AT STARLEY VERSUS GOING NORTH ON MACARTHUR? THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. I DON'T ACTUALLY KNOW. OKAY.

YEAH. OKAY. WE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSION IN THE BACK ABOUT TRAFFIC.

AND THEN ULTIMATELY IN THE END, IT CAME BACK TO, WELL, YOU'RE THE APPLICATION IS REALLY FOR ONE YEAR.

SO DO YOU SEE YOURSELF GETTING UP TO 130 STUDENTS THIS COMING YEAR? I DON'T KNOW. WE WE PUT THAT BECAUSE IT GIVES US THE THE LEEWAY TO DO THAT.

I WILL CERTAINLY EXCEED 100 IF WE'RE PERMITTED TO DO THAT.

YEAH. YEAH. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT BY THE COMMISSION.

OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. OKAY. THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING.

IS THERE ANYBODY WHO'D LIKE TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THE PROPOSED APPLICATION.

OKAY. SEEING NONE, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

I'M SORRY. I WILL TAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

I MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION BY VICE CHAIR BLANKENSHIP TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER HAFEMANN.

KAMI WOULD YOU CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE? PLEASE RESPOND BY SAYING AYE AS I CALL YOUR NAME, COMMISSIONER PATEL.

AYE. VICE CHAIR BLANKENSHIP. AYE. CHAIRMAN HAAS.

AYE. COMMISSIONER MAURER. AYE. AND COMMISSIONER HAFEMANN.

AYE. ALL APPROVED MOTION CARRIES. OKAY. VERY GOOD.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. BEST OF LUCK. OKAY. ITEM.

NO, THAT WAS THAT WAS TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

YEAH YEAH YEAH. SO DISCUSSION BY THE COMMISSION ON THE APPLICATION OR ANY ANY, ANY OTHER FOLLOW UP THOUGHTS OR IS THERE A MOTION? YES, MR. CHAIRMAN, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE S1113R3-SF-7 SAINT CONSTANTINE SCHOOL SUBJECT TO STAFF CONDITIONS. OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER MAURER FOR APPROVAL.

IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER BLANKENSHIP.

KAMI. WOULD YOU CALL THE ROLL? PLEASE RESPOND BY SAYING AYE AS I CALL YOUR NAME, COMMISSIONER PATEL.

AYE. VICE CHAIR BLANKENSHIP. AYE. CHAIRMAN HAAS.

AYE. COMMISSIONER MAURER. AYE. COMMISSIONER HAFEMANN. AYE. I'LL APPROVE. NONE. OPPOSED. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE HAVE A NEW A NEW RULE ON CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING WITH A MOTION BY THE COMMISSION. SO I TANKED IT.

WE TALKED ABOUT IT BACK THERE AND I STILL TANKED IT. ANYWAY, BEST OF LUCK THERE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ITEM SEVEN ON THE ON THE AGENDA IS I, UPDATE ON THE CITY COUNCIL ITEMS.

[7. Update on City Council items.]

OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ITEM EIGHT IS ADJOURNMENT AND WE'LL DO THAT.

THE ITEM THE TIME IS 6:41.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.