Oct 15, 2026 Planning & Zoning Commission 2026-10-15 6:00 PM

[1. Call To Order]

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THIS IS ITEM 1. CALL TO ORDER. GOOD EVENING. THIS IS THE OCTOBER 15, 2026 MEETING OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.

THE TIME IS 6:01. WE'LL RECESS BACK INTO THE WORK SESSION.

[2. Work Session (Open to the Public) a. Discussion of agenda items.]

YOU'RE JUST TESTING THEM. OKAY. THIS IS ITEM 2, THE WORK SESSION.

WE'LL START TONIGHT WITH A ROLL CALL OF THE COMMISSION MEMBERS PRESENT TONIGHT.

COMMISSIONERS, AS YOUR NAME IS CALLED, PLEASE RESPOND WITH A NOTIFICATION OF PRESENCE.

I'M SUE BLANKENSHIP, VICE CHAIR OF THE COMMISSION.

COMMISSIONER ED MAURER. PRESENT. COMMISSIONER KENT HAFEMANN.

PRESENT. COMMISSIONER CINDY BISHOP. HERE. COMMISSIONER JOHN DOBMEIER.

THE FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS IS TO BEGIN THE WORK SESSION.

AS IDENTIFIED ON ITEM TO AGENDA AS WE DISCUSS EACH CASE.

I'LL TURN THE WORK SESSION OVER TO MARY PARON-BOSWELL.

MARY, WOULD YOU IDENTIFY STAFF MEMBERS PRESENT AND THEN LEAD THE DISCUSSION, PLEASE? THANK YOU, VICE CHAIR BLANKENSHIP. SO MYSELF, MARY PARON-BOSWELL, SENIOR PLANNER.

MATT HAS THE NIGHT OFF. WE HAVE MR. COLE BAKER, CIVIL ENGINEER.

EXTRAORDINAIRE. EXTRAORDINAIRE. BOB HAGER, CITY ATTORNEY, AND MISS KAMI MCGEE KEEPING US ALL IN LINE TONIGHT.

SO THERE'S REALLY ONLY ONE ITEM ON THE AGENDA TODAY, SO I'M GOING TO STEP ONE.

ONE STEP BACK. SO WE DID HAVE A SECOND ITEM, BUT IT WAS WITHDRAWN.

SO IT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA. SO IF SOMEONE SHOWS UP TONIGHT TO TALK ABOUT THE SCHOOL, BECAUSE WE HAD AUSTIN ELEMENTARY WAS GOING TO. THEY'RE DOING IN ADDITION TO THE SCHOOL.

BUT THEY PULLED THE ITEM. SO YOU'LL PROBABLY SEE IT IN THE NEXT MEETING IF THEY RESUBMIT ON MONDAY.

I DID SEE THE NOTICE AND THAT'S WHY I WAS. YEAH.

SO WE SENT OUT THE NOTICES BECAUSE WE SEND THEM OUT, YOU KNOW, AHEAD OF TIME.

AND THEN THEY TOLD US, OH, WE WANT TO. WE NEED TO WITHDRAW IT BECAUSE THEY NEED TO FIGURE OUT SOME STUFF.

I'M LIKE, OKAY. SO. ARE THEY GETTING PUSHED BACK? NO. I THINK THEY WERE JUST TRYING TO TALK WITH THE SCHOOL BOARD AND THEN SET UP A MEETING WITH THE NEIGHBORS AND.

SO I'M LIKE, OKAY, THAT'S FINE. YOU GOT IT. SO IF SOMEONE SHOWS UP, MAYBE YOU CAN MAKE A SOMETHING AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING, SAY, IF YOU'RE HERE FOR AUSTIN ELEMENTARY, IT IS NOT ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA BECAUSE THE ITEM WAS WITHDRAWN OR I CAN SAY IT.

I CAN MAKE THE ANNOUNCEMENT TOO. I GOTCHA. SO WHEN THEY.

IF AND WHEN THEY RESUBMIT, WE WILL SEND OUT NEW LETTERS NOTIFICATION.

THAT'S IMPORTANT TO TELL THEM. YEAH. IT'S NOT JUST BEEN POSTPONED.

IT'S BEEN WITHDRAWN. IT'S BEEN WITHDRAWN, SO.

WHICH MEANS IF AND WHEN THEY RESUBMIT, WE'LL SEND OUT NEW LETTERS NOTIFYING THEM OF THE NEW MEETING DATE.

SO THIS IS ON THE PROPERTY THAT YOU'VE SEEN BEFORE OFF BELT LINE AND BOUNDED BY SANDERS LOOP.

CAME BEFORE YOU BEFORE AS THE 55 PLUS APARTMENTS.

IT'S QUITE A STEP DOWN. IT'S DEFINITELY A DIFFERENT USE.

AND IT'S NOT THE WHOLE PROPERTY. IT'S ON A PORTION OF THAT PROPERTY.

YEAH. SO IT IS ON A PORTION OF THAT LOT. THE REST OF THAT LOT WILL BE REDEVELOPED AT SOME LATER DATE. SO WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT IS A DRIVE THROUGH CAR WASH.

AGAIN, THERE'S THE ATMOS GAS EASEMENT THAT'S ON THE SOUTH OF IT.

THE BUILDINGS PROPOSED TO BE ABUTTING THAT ATMOS GAS EASEMENT.

THEY HAVE TWO DRIVEWAYS OFF OF BELT LINE ROAD, SO THEY'LL CIRCLE UP TOWARDS THE NORTH PART OF THE LOT AND THEN COME BACK DOWN ON THE EAST

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THEY'VE GOT ABOUT FIVE EMPLOYEE SPOTS AND THE VACUUM STATIONS WILL ALL BE COVERED UP. THERE'LL BE TWO QUEUING LINES TO GO INTO THE CAR WASH WITH TWO MENU BOARDS.

IN TERMS OF SIGNAGE, THEY'RE JUST LOOKING AT A SIGN THAT SAYS CAR WASH ON THE BUILDING.

AND THEN WHAT ELSE. THEY'RE LOOKING AT VARIOUS MATERIALS FOR THE BUILDING ITSELF. IT'S A COMBINATION OF BRICK, SOME CEMENTITIOUS LAP SIDING.

IT LOOKS LIKE A RUSTIC WOOD AND MASONRY STONE.

WHAT ELSE WE GOT? SO THIS IS A SPECIAL USE PERMIT.

SO AT SOME POINT IF THIS GETS APPROVED, THEY'LL HAVE TO REPLAT THE PROPERTY BECAUSE THERE'S A PIONEER GAS OR OIL EASEMENT THAT'S ON THE PROPERTY THAT THEY'LL HAVE TO GET RID OF. THEY'LL HAVE TO REPLAT IT BECAUSE THEY'RE JUST USING A PORTION OF THE EXISTING LOTS THAT ARE THERE.

THEY'RE LOOKING TO INSTALL A SOUTHBOUND LEFT TURN DECEL LANE.

SO THAT'LL TAKE PEOPLE OFF OF TRAFFIC TO FUNNEL THEM INTO THE SITE ON THE SOUTHERNMOST ENTRANCE. AND THEN WE WERE LOOKING AT THE LANDSCAPE PLAN AND THE TREE MITIGATION AT THE TIME THAT THE REPORT WENT OUT, THEY HAD TO DO SOME CHANGES STILL.

SO I THINK WE'RE THERE. WE JUST HAVE TO LOOK THROUGH THE PLANS ONE MORE TIME SO THEY'LL UPDATE THE LANDSCAPE.

BUT OTHERWISE THAT'S IT. WE DID SEND OUT LETTERS.

THE PROPERTY OWNER DIRECTLY NORTH OF THIS SITE DID SEND A LETTER IN OPPOSITION OF THE CAR WASH.

AND BASICALLY HE WAS STATING THAT THERE'S A COUPLE OTHER CAR WASHES WITHIN A FEW MILES OF THIS.

WE JUST APPROVED ONE WHAT, TWO YEARS? A YEAR AND A HALF AGO? TWO YEARS AGO? ABOUT A HALF A MILE NORTH. SO THAT WAS PROBABLY MY FIRST CASE.

THAT WAS LIKE EIGHT YEARS AGO. WAS IT? HOW TIME FLIES.

THE ALPINE CAR WASH? YEAH, THAT WAS LIKE ONE OF MY FIRST CASES.

IT'S BEEN THERE A WHILE. I KNOW.

30 YEARS. YEAH, BECAUSE THAT CAR WASH USED TO BE A FULL SERVICE CAR WASH.

AND THEN THEY CHANGED IT INTO A DRIVE THROUGH CAR WASH.

YEAH, THAT WAS ONE OF MY FIRST ONES. OH. AND THEN I THINK THE NEXT CLOSEST, THAT WAS LIKE A MILE AND A QUARTER NORTH.

THEN I THINK THERE'S 1 OR 2 OFF OF MACARTHUR AND BELT LINE.

THAT'S ABOUT TWO AND A HALF MILES EAST.

SPIFFY AND SPOTLESS. WHICH BUSINESS IS THAT THAT WAS OBJECTING? IS THAT THE ONE THAT'S THE TACO PLACE? IT'S THE BEMER.

PROPERTY ON THAT CORNER TO THE NORTH. THE SAME CORNER, RIGHT? I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY, BUT HE SIGNED IT FOR THE PROPERTY THAT HE WAS ON THE BEMER, THE 932.

SIMPLE MAJORITY. YEAH. I DIDN'T DO A CALCULATION.

I JUST SAW THE LETTER THIS AFTERNOON. SO, MARY REFRESH MY MEMORY.

THE WIDTH OF THAT EASEMENT? IT'S 15FT. WHAT IS IT?

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SO BETWEEN THIS SITE AND THE CHASE BANK IS THE ATMOS EASEMENT.

AND THE OWNER OF CHASE BANK DIDN'T OBJECT TO THIS? I THINK THAT CHASE BANK IS CLOSED. THEY GOT A LETTER.

YEAH. BUT I'M SAYING THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY.

HE PROBABLY DIDN'T KNOW. ALTHOUGH THE BANK.

THERE'S STILL TIME BETWEEN NOW AND COUNCIL. I GUESS IF MORE PEOPLE WANT TO SEND SOMETHING IN.

SO THERE'S ONLY LIKE FIVE LETTERS WITHIN 200FT AND TEN WITHIN 800FT.

SO THERE'S NOT A LOT OF. ACTIVITY. YEAH. WHEN YOU SEND OUT THE 800, DO YOU ALSO NOTIFY THOSE IN DEPTH THAT HAVE PROPERTY IN DALLAS, OR DO YOU JUST STOP AT THE CITY LIMITS? JUST THE CITY LIMITS. I FIGURED THAT, BUT I WASN'T.

YEAH. OKAY. WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THIS USE? WELL, THE PROPERTY IS ZONED COMMERCIAL. IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT'S AROUND IT, I THINK IT KIND OF MATCHES WHAT'S AROUND IT. IT DOES FALL UNDER, YOU KNOW, COMMERCIAL TYPES OF USES.

JUST IT REQUIRES A SPECIAL USE PERMIT. IT FITS ALL THE DOTS FOR ACTUALLY BEING.

SO FOR THE FUTURE LAND USE, IT'S EITHER THAT OR LIKE RESIDENTIAL, BUT WE'VE GONE THAT ROUTE AND THAT.

WELL, THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN FOR MULTIFAMILY, BUT EVEN FOR LIKE SINGLE FAMILY.

BUT WE'VE TALKED TO PEOPLE BEFORE, BUT NO ONE'S TAKING IT FORWARD.

IF SOMEBODY IS COMING SOUTHBOUND ON BELT LINE, THEY'VE GOT TO DO A U-TURN.

THEY CAN TURN INTO THIS PLACE? NO. SO THERE'S GOING TO BE A DECEL LEFT TURN LANE.

LEFT TURN. OKAY.

ON SOUTH BELT LINE. OKAY. THERE'S A MEDIAN CUT ALREADY.

SO THERE'S AN EXISTING.

YEAH. THERE'S A PLACE BUT NOT A DIESEL. SO THEY'RE JUST COMING.

RIGHT.

YEAH. SO THAT WAY THE CARS WOULD GET OUT OF THE LINE OF TRAFFIC.

YEAH. THAT ALL SEEMS APPROPRIATE. THAT'S PROBABLY WHERE THEY HAVE TO CUT DOWN THE TREES.

RIGHT? TO MAKE THE DECEL LINE. BECAUSE WE CAN'T THINK OF.

I DON'T RECALL SEEING ANY TREES ON THE LOT FOR THE TREE MITIGATION.

YEAH, THERE'S A.

IT'S JUST BEHIND. IS THIS THE CURRENT STRIP MALL? RIGHT. SO THAT'S THE CHASE BANK. YEP. THAT'S CLOSED.

YEP. IT'S THIS.

THIS IS THE CITY BOUNDARY RIGHT HERE, RIGHT? YEAH.

PRETTY MUCH. OKAY. YEAH. THEY'LL PROBABLY GET SOME BUSINESS FROM.

IS THE BANK PROPERTY? YEAH, I GUESS. SORRY. BOB, IS THE BANK PROPERTY IN THE CITY? YES. YES. THAT'S LIKE THE EDGE RIGHT THERE. IS THAT OUR WATER TANK, TOO? NO, IT'S NOT. DALLAS. DALLAS. OKAY. OKAY. OKAY.

YEAH. SO THIS IS, LIKE. RIGHT ON. YEAH. RIGHT ON THE EDGE OF CYPRESS WATERS, WHICH IS DALLAS.

OKAY. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? IS THE PIONEER OIL EASEMENT.

THERE'S NOTHING IN IT. THIS IS MY UNDERSTANDING.

DO THEY HAVE NOTIFICATION FROM WHOEVER OWNS THE EASEMENT OR CONTROLS IT FROM PIONEER OIL? IF THAT EVEN. IS IT STILL IN EXISTENCE? SORRY TO INTERRUPT YOU THERE, BUT WE HAVE DONE A LOT SO THAT PIONEER EASEMENT HAS ACTUALLY DEDICATED FOR WATER AND UTILITIES.

PIONEER DOES NOT EXIST ANYMORE. SO OUR LAND ATTORNEYS, THEY ARE STILL WORKING THROUGH THAT.

BUT EVERYTHING THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW IS STATING THAT THAT EASEMENT, ACTUALLY THE OWNERSHIP OF THAT THEY'RE THINKING WILL DEFER BACK TO THE CITY OF IT BECAUSE IT'S FOR WATER AND UTILITIES THAT ARE OUT THERE FOR THEIR, FOR THEIR UTILITY.

SO WHEN WE GO THROUGH AND REPLOT THAT WE'LL HAVE TO WORK WITH COLE AND MARY AND PLANNING STAFF AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

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YEAH, IT WAS PROBABLY ORIGINALLY PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE PLAN.

IT'S PROBABLY PRETTY OLD. OH YEAH. IT'S VERY OLD.

YEAH. THAT'S WHY THEY HAD THAT OLD OIL EASEMENT BECAUSE OF THE REMEMBER THE PLANT? THE ELECTRIC PLANT WAS THERE. I THINK THAT THEY PROBABLY GOT HAD TO DEAL WITH BACK THEN.

DALLAS WATER. YEAH. THOSE ARE A CHALLENGE. SOMETIMES WHEN YOU CAN'T EVEN FIND THE COMPANIES ON ANY EXISTENCE.

CAN YOU FIND THE OWNER? YEAH, YEAH. WE GOT SOME OTHER PROBLEMS WITH THAT, DON'T WE, COLE? UPDATE ON COUNCIL. SO THIS PAST TUESDAY MATT TOOK THE TEXT AMENDMENTS FOR THE DATA CENTER AT U P AND THE TEMPORARY BATCH PLANT TO CITY COUNCIL, AND THAT WAS APPROVED.

SO NOW THEY'RE WORKING ON THE ORDINANCE. YEAH.

THANKS TO YOU ALL FOR AND JOHN IN PARTICULAR FOR HE MADE SOME SUGGESTIONS.

YOU APPROVE THOSE. WE INCORPORATED THEM IN PARALLEL TASKS.

WELL DONE JOHN. WELL DONE. THANKS, EVERYBODY.

YEAH. ANY OTHER ITEMS YOU NEED TO CHAT ABOUT? JUST I THINK I THINK WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS, BUT I'VE SLEPT SINCE THEN.

WE'RE WORKING ON THE 2040 COMP PLAN KICKOFF. SO WE'VE MET WITH OUR CONSULTANTS AND WE'RE WORKING ON GETTING THEM OUR EXISTING PLANS, YOU KNOW, DATA, BACKGROUND STUFF THAT THEY NEED, GIS STUFF.

AND WORKING WITH THEIR BRAND CONSULTANT TO COME UP WITH A BRAND FOR THE 2040 COMP PLAN.

SO THAT SHOULD BE KICKING OFF SOON. WE'RE GOING TO BE SETTING UP MEETINGS AND STUFF.

HOW CAN WE AS BOARD MEMBERS AND, OR WE AS CITIZENS PARTICIPATE IN THAT? SO WE WILL BE HAVING MEETINGS AND. CHARRETTES.

WE'RE WORKING ON THE SCHEDULE RIGHT NOW. SO WE'LL LET YOU KNOW AS SOON AS WE KIND OF TIE DOWN SOME DATES.

BUT IT'S GOING TO BE EXCITING. IT'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF WORK, BUT HOPEFULLY IT'LL BE THAT'S A BIG DEAL.

IT IS A BIG DEAL. YEAH. IT'S A PRECURSOR TO A NEW ZONING ORDINANCE.

YEAH. BECAUSE THE LAST TIME WE DID THE ZONING ORDINANCE WAS MIXED USE.

WELL, GEORGE, THE FIRST BUSH WAS PRESIDENT. LET ME JUST SAY THAT.

WOW. 1990. GOT SOME. AND IT NEEDS TO BE MORE KIND OF REDEVELOPMENT FOCUSED INSTEAD OF JUST NEW CONSTRUCTION. YEAH. AND WHAT WE ENVISION THE REDEVELOPMENT WILL LOOK LIKE FOR SURE.

YEAH. SO KIND OF OUT OF GREENFIELDS NOW INTO REDEVELOPMENT.

SO HOW MANY HOW MANY ACRES DO WE STILL HAVE LEFT IN THE CITY THAT COULD BE DEVELOPED? I HEARD A STATISTIC ONCE, BUT IT WAS SEVERAL YEARS AGO.

WHAT DO YOU THINK IT WAS? WHAT DO YOU THINK? IT WAS LIKE 34 ACRES OR SOMETHING? NO, I DON'T THINK SO. MATT KNOWS THAT EXACT NUMBER.

YEAH, BUT IT WAS YEARS AGO. SO I'M THINKING IT'S 25.

NO. I DON'T WANT TO SAY NUMBER AND THEN BE LYING TO YOU.

I DON'T KNOW, OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. IT'S NOT MUCH.

YEAH. BUT THERE'S LIKE, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF FLOODPLAIN, NOT A LOT OF GREEN FIELDS, BUT IT'S MORE THAN THAT. OKAY. YEAH.

BECAUSE IF I'M WRONG, I HEARD IT, BUT I DON'T RECALL WHAT IT WAS, BUT I KNOW IT WAS SMALL.

THERE'S NOT MUCH LEFT. THERE'S ONLY A FEW LARGER PORTIONS LEFT.

YEAH. YEAH. 1 OR 2. MAYBE THREE. IF SO, WAS THAT GOLF COURSE? YEAH. YEAH. WELL, AREN'T THERE STILL PAD SITES AVAILABLE? PAD SITES IN FRONT OF THE ACADEMY. THE NEW SCHOOL THAT SANDY LAKE AND MACARTHUR. SOUTHEAST CORNER. OH, YEAH. WHAT'S THAT? CHARTER SCHOOL. THE CHARTER SCHOOL? YEAH. BUT THERE'S PAD SITES THERE, RIGHT? THAT CAN BE DEVELOPED UP FRONT. YEAH. YEAH. THERE'S, YOU KNOW, THERE IS GREEN SPACE.

IT'S JUST KIND OF SCATTERED.

LIKE TRIPLE A HAS STUFF AND THERE'S A COUPLE ON TAP.

I THINK IT WAS ANCHOR FOR THE NORTH. THEY PAID THEY PAID THEIR 25 YEARS.

YEAH. OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE? THAT'S IT. GOT ABOUT NINE MINUTES.

WELL, NOW ADJOURN THE WORK SESSION. THE TIME IS 6:21.

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[3. Regular Session (Open to the Public)]

ALL MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION EXCEPT CHAIRMAN HAAS ARE PRESENT.

AND JUST AS A NOTIFICATION, THE AUSTIN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL ITEM IS NOT ON THE AGENDA AND HAS BEEN WITHDRAWN.

IF AND WHEN THEY RESUBMIT, A NEW NOTIFICATION WILL BE SENT OUT.

SO IF YOU'RE HERE FOR THAT, IT'S NO LONGER ON THE AGENDA.

ITEM 4 IS CITIZENS APPEARANCE.

CAN YOU HEAR ME? OH, I'M JUST NOT SITTING CLOSE ENOUGH.

SORRY. OKAY, SO ITEM NUMBER FOUR IS THE CITIZENS APPEARANCE.

PERSONS WISHING TO SPEAK ON ANY MATTER OTHER THAN AN ITEM SCHEDULED FOR A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE AGENDA.

MUST SIGN AND REGISTER. PRESENTATIONS BY INDIVIDUALS SHALL BE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES EACH.

IN THE EVENT THAT THERE ARE MORE THAN 30 SPEAKERS REGISTERED FOR CITIZENS APPEARANCES, THE CHAIRPERSON MAY REDUCE EACH SPEAKER'S TIME TO NO LESS THAN ONE MINUTE PER SPEAKER.

THOSE PERSONS WHO SIGNED UP TO SPEAK AT THE CITIZENS APPEARANCE SHALL BE CALLED UPON IN THE ORDER THAT THEY HAVE SIGNED THE PROVIDED REGISTER.

NO PERSONAL ATTACKS BY ANY SPEAKER SHALL BE MADE AGAINST ANY MEMBER OF THE BOARD, INDIVIDUAL, GROUP OR CORPORATION. CHAPTER ARTICLE 3. SECTION 3.12.

KAMI, DID ANYONE SIGN UP TO SPEAK FOR CITIZENS APPEARANCE? NO, THEY DID NOT. OKAY. SINCE NO COMMENTS WERE RECEIVED AND NO ONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK, WE'LL CLOSE THE CITIZENS APPEARANCE AND MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER 4 ON THE.

ITEM NUMBER 5 ON THE AGENDA. MY APOLOGIES. OH.

[5. 2026-0433 Consider approval of the September 17, 2026, Planning and Zoning meeting minutes.]

ITEM NUMBER 5 ON THE AGENDA IS APPROVAL OF OUR SEPTEMBER 17TH, 2026 PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING MINUTES.

ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSIONS BY THE COMMISSION? IS THERE A MOTION BY THE COMMISSION? YES, VICE CHAIR, I WILL MOVE TO APPROVE THE MEETING MINUTES FROM SEPTEMBER 17TH, 2026. SECOND. YOU GOT TO GO REAL SLOW TONIGHT.

KAMI, WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? PLEASE RESPOND BY SAYING AYE OR NAY AS I CALL YOUR NAME.

COMMISSIONER PATEL. AYE. COMMISSIONER DOBMEIER.

AYE. VICE CHAIR BLANKENSHIP. AYE. COMMISSIONER MAURER.

AYE. COMMISSIONER HAFEMANN. AYE. AND COMMISSIONER BISHOP.

AYE. ALL APPROVE. NONE OPPOSED. MOTION CARRIES.

[6. 2026-0436 PUBLIC HEARING Hold a public hearing and consider approval of Special Use Permit -1272-C, Shammy’s Car Wash, a Special Use Permit to allow a car wash facility with self-service vacuums to be constructed on 1.746 acres of property located on the east side of S. Belt Line Road, approximately 670- feet south of East Belt Line Road, at the request of Vijay Borra, being represented by Clay Cristy of Clay Moore Engineering. STAFF REP.: Mary Paron-Boswell]

THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING, AND WE'RE GOING TO HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER APPROVAL OF SPECIAL USE PERMIT 1272.

SEE? IS THAT RIGHT ON THOSE NUMBERS? THERE'S A DASH IN FRONT OF IT.

DID IT'S UP1272. SEE SHAMMIES CAR WASH. A SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO ALLOW A CAR WASH FACILITY WITH SELF-SERVICE VACUUMS TO BE CONSTRUCTED ON 1.746 ACRES OF PROPERTY LOCATED AT THE EAST SIDE OF SOUTH BELT LINE ROAD, APPROXIMATELY 670FT SOUTH OF EAST BELT LINE ROAD, AT THE REQUEST OF VIJAY BORA, BEING REPRESENTED BY CLAY CHRISTIE OF CLAYMORE ENGINEERING.

MARY, WOULD YOU PLEASE PRESENT THE CASE? GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS.

SO THE ITEM ON YOUR AGENDA TONIGHT IS A PROPOSED CAR WASH.

THE CAR WASH TUNNEL BUILDING IS 5440FT² AND SHOWN ON THE SOUTHERN PORTION OF THE SITE.

THE 100 FOOT. THERE'S A 100 FOOT ATMOS GAS EASEMENT JUST SOUTH OF THE TUNNEL.

AND THERE ARE TWO DRIVEWAY ENTRANCES ON SOUTH BELT LINE ROAD ON THE NORTHERN PORTION OF THE SITE.

SO THEY ARE PROPOSING TO BUILD A LEFT TURN LANE ON THE SOUTHBOUND LANE OF SOUTH BELT LINE ROAD.

SAY THAT THREE TIMES FAST. ONTO THE SOUTHERN DRIVEWAY.

AND THAT'S REPRESENTED BY THE BLUE THERE. SO THERE'S AN EXISTING EXISTING MEDIAN THERE.

SO THEY WOULD TRIM THAT OUT TO ALLOW FOR THE.

LEFT HAND TURN. SO TRAFFIC WILL BE USHERED TO THE EASTERN END OF THE SITE.

WATCH THE LITTLE CAR AND THEN THERE WILL BE TWO AISLES SOUTH TO WHERE THE MENU BOARDS

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ONCE THE CARS GO THROUGH THE CAR WASH TUNNEL.

THERE ARE 24 VACUUM STATIONS LOCATED NORTH OF THE CAR WASH TUNNEL.

THERE ARE FIVE ADDITIONAL EMPLOYEE PARKING SPACES INCLUDED, INCLUDING A DEDICATED HANDICAPPED SPOT.

THERE IS AN EXISTING OIL EASEMENT ON THE SITE THAT WILL NEED TO BE ABANDONED WITH THE REPLAT.

AND THIS IS LISTED AS A CONDITION IN STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS.

SO JUST TAKING A LOOK AT THE LANDSCAPE PLANS.

WE DID RECEIVE REVISED LANDSCAPE PLANS. SO THEY MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WAS IN YOUR PACKET.

SO THE LANDSCAPE PLANS SHOW THAT THE SITE EXCEEDS THE MINIMUM AREA REQUIREMENTS.

THE MAJORITY OF THIS IS IN THE ATMOS GAS EASEMENT TO THE SOUTH.

THEY ARE PROPOSING OVERSTORY TREES AND SOME ACCENT TREES ON THE SITE.

IN TERMS OF BUILDING ELEVATIONS, THE MATERIAL BOARD AND I THINK OUR CITY ATTORNEY IS GOING TO PASS IT DOWN, SHOWS A VARIETY OF MATERIALS PROPOSED FOR THE BUILDING.

TWO BRICK COLORS STONE VENEER AND A RUSTIC WOOD TONE CEMENTITIOUS LAP SIDING.

THE CAR WASH TUNNEL IS TO BE CONSTRUCTED OF TWO COLORS OF BRICK WITH A STONE VENEER WAINSCOT.

THE EAST AND WEST ENDS OF THE BUILDING HAVE A TALLER ELEMENT MADE OF THE WOOD TONE, CEMENT SIDING AND THE SIDE.

SIDE FRONTING SOUTH BELT LINE ROAD WILL HAVE A CAR WASH SIGN ON IT.

SO THIS IS THE CAR WASH TUNNEL THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.

AND THEN THIS IS THE ENTRANCE AND EXIT OF THE CAR WASH ON THE UPPER PORTION OF THE SLIDE THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT.

THEY'RE PROPOSING 250 FOOT CAR WASH SIGNS, ONE VISIBLE ON THE NORTH, THE OTHER ON THE SOUTH ELEVATION.

NO MONUMENT SIGN IS PROPOSED ON THE SITE, AND THEY ARE PROPOSING TWO GROUND MOUNTED DIGITAL MENU BOARDS WITH A TWO FOOT TALL BASE AND A FIVE FOOT TALL MENU BOARD MEASURING THREE FEET WIDE AT THE DRIVE AISLES LOCATED JUST BEFORE THE CAR WASH TUNNEL.

SO THAT'LL BE TOWARDS THE EASTERN END OF THE SITE.

SO NOT NOT NECESSARILY VISIBLE FROM THE ROAD ITSELF.

AND THEN THIS SLIDE BASICALLY REPRESENTS THE VACUUM STATIONS UNDER STANDING SEAM METAL ROOF COVER WITH STONE VENEERED COLUMNS.

AND THEN THIS IS JUST AN ILLUSTRATION OF THE MATERIAL BOARD THAT WAS HANDED DOWN AND A RENDERING ON THE SOUTHERN HERE SITE. THIS IS THE NORTH ELEVATION. SO THIS IS A SPECIAL USE PERMIT WHICH IS A ZONE CHANGE REQUEST.

WE DID MAIL OUT LETTERS TO PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200FT.

ADDITIONAL LETTERS, COURTESY NOTICES WITHIN 800FT.

WE DID RECEIVE ONE LETTER IN OPPOSITION DIRECTLY NORTH OR ABUTTING THIS PARTICULAR SITE.

AND THE COMMENT ON THAT WAS THAT THERE ARE ALREADY TWO CAR WASHES WITHIN A FEW MILES.

SO THERE IS A CAR WASH ON DENTON TAP AT 250 DENTON TAP.

THAT'S ABOUT A MILE AND A QUARTER NORTH, WHICH IS A DRIVE THROUGH CAR WASH SIMILAR TO WHAT THIS IS PROPOSED TO BE.

AND THEN THERE'S ADDITIONAL CAR WASH OVER AT MACARTHUR AND BELT LINE.

AND THAT'S ABOUT TWO AND A HALF MILES EAST OF, OF THIS SITE.

AND THAT IS THE END OF MY PRESENTATION. OH, BUT I HAVE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS.

HERE WE GO. SO STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST SUBJECT TO THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.

THERE MAY BE ADDITIONAL COMMENTS DURING BUILDING PERMIT AND DETAILED ENGINEERING REVIEW.

NUMBER TWO A REPLAT WILL BE REQUIRED. THREE THEY MUST INSTALL THE SOUTHBOUND LEFT TURN DECELERATION LANE ON BELT LINE ROAD AT THE EXISTING EXISTING MEDIAN OPENING. SERVING THIS SITE PRIOR TO GETTING A CO NUMBER FOUR, THE 15 FOOT PIONEER OIL COMPANY EASEMENT SHALL BE ABANDONED WITH THE REPLAT OF THIS PROPERTY. AND FIVE, THAT THE LANDSCAPE PLAN, TREE PALETTE AND TREE MITIGATION PLAN SHALL BE REVISED TO ONLY INCLUDE TREES ON THE PLANT PALETTE OF THE LANDSCAPE SECTION OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE.

SO THEY DID REVISE THAT AND WE'RE REVIEWING THAT CURRENTLY.

AND NOW THAT IS THE END OF MY PRESENTATION. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

THE APPLICANT ENGINEER IS HERE AS WELL. THANK YOU MARY.

BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSIONS BY THE COMMISSION I JUST HAVE A QUESTION FOR OUR CITY, OUR ENGINEER ON THE TIA ON THAT SOUTHBOUND LEFT TURN LANE DECELERATION.

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I CAN PULL UP THE TRIP GENERATION NUMBERS REAL QUICK.

YEAH. FOR THE AM PEAK, IT WAS A TOTAL OF 15 TRIPS FOR THAT PEAK HOUR.

PM PEAK IT'S 24 TRIPS AND WE TOTAL WEEKDAY TRIPS WAS 254.

SO BELOW THE THRESHOLD OF WHAT A TIA WOULD REQUIRE.

THANK YOU. YOU KNOW, I HAD TO PUT ON COMMISSIONER HAAS HAT.

I KNOW, YEAH. GOTTA MAKE SURE I GET MY STEPS.

THAT'S RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YEP. OKAY.

ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSIONS BY THE COMMISSION? I ACTUALLY HAVE ONE QUESTION ABOUT CAPACITY. GIVEN THAT TURN LANE IT LOOKS PRETTY SHORT WITH THE EASEMENT THAT'S THERE NOW.

DO WE KNOW MAYBE THE CLIENT KNOWS HERE WHAT KIND OF CAPACITY OF WAITING CARS CAN THE FACILITY CURRENTLY ACCOMMODATE BEFORE THEY WOULD BEGIN STACKING UP IN THE STREET? WHY DON'T WE WAIT TO TO HAVE HIM COME UP DURING HIS PRESENTATION? OKAY. OH, I DIDN'T KNOW HE HAD. NOPE. NO WORRIES.

OKAY. AND THEN ONE OTHER QUESTION FOR STAFF. ARE THERE ANY IMPACTS OR ANY REQUIREMENTS OR CONCERNS FROM STAFF REGARDING THE DRAINAGE OF THIS SITE AND THE TYPE OF DRAINAGE AND PERHAPS CITY WATER RECOVERY.

ANY OF THOSE CONCERNS? COME ON DOWN. MR. BAKER WILL COME AND HELP WITH THAT.

MORE STEPS. MOST OF THAT WILL HAPPEN DURING THE ENGINEERING REVIEW.

YEP. THAT WILL BE PART OF ENGINEERING AND BUILDING PERMIT REVIEW.

OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU AGAIN. HAPPY TO HELP ANY OTHER COMMISSIONER PATEL.

YEAH. COLE. HANG ON. IS IS THE LEFT TURN LANE ON SOUTHBOUND BELT LINE TO TURN INTO THIS? IS THAT NEEDED OR IS IT? WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE A SITUATION WHERE CARS ARE WAITING IN THE THROUGH LANE, STOPPING WHILE THEY WAIT TO TURN. SO THAT'S WHY.

YES, IT IS NEEDED FOR THAT BECAUSE I ALSO DON'T LIKE THE IDEA OF TEARING UP BELT LINE ROAD WHEN IT WAS JUST RECONSTRUCTED AND LOSING MEDIAN IMPROVEMENTS THAT WERE INVESTED IN AND JUST COMPLETED AND THAT STUFF.

SO THANK YOU. YEAH. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION BY THE COMMISSION FOR STAFF? YOU'RE EXCUSED FOR NOW. IS THE APPLICANT HERE TO PRESENT THE CASE? AND IF YOU COULD PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

ABSOLUTELY. GOOD EVENING. COMMISSION CLAY CHRISTY CLAYMORE ENGINEERING, 3231 HARWOOD AVENUE.

IN REGARDS TO PRESENTATION, MARY ALWAYS STEALS MY THUNDER AND I WISH SHE COULD PRESENT ALL MY CASES BECAUSE SHE GETS A LOT OF THE STUFF THAT WE HAVE THAT ARE THERE FOR US.

SO JUST KIND OF JUMPING INTO A LITTLE BIT OF IT.

WE'VE WITH MARY, WE'VE DISCUSSED THESE CONDITIONS OF WHAT WE HAD.

AND LIKE I SAID, WE'VE ALREADY MADE ADJUSTMENTS TO THE LANDSCAPE PLAN TO GET THOSE JUST KIND OF UPDATED, AND WE'RE WORKING WITH STAFF ON MAKING SURE ALL THE MITIGATION CALCULATIONS ARE CORRECT AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT WE HAVE THERE.

AND WE I KNOW WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT IN THE BACK ABOUT THE PIONEER OIL COMPANY EASEMENT ABANDONMENT, AND WE'RE FINE WITH ALL THE STIPULATIONS THAT ARE PRESENTED THERE.

TO KIND OF JUMP INTO ABOUT LIKE THE STACKING AND THE TURN LANE AND EVERYTHING ELSE, YOU'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO FIT ABOUT THREE CARS THAT ARE GOING TO GO IN THAT TURN LANE RIGHT THERE. SO IT IS SHORT. THAT THING TURNS.

SORRY. AND THE, THAT IS ABOUT AS MUCH AS YOU'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO GET, BECAUSE THE REST OF THAT MEETING HAS ALREADY BEEN ADJUSTED FOR THE OTHER TURN LANE THAT COMES IN THERE. WHENEVER YOU HAVE, I MEAN, CAR WASHES, WHENEVER THEY COME IN COMPARATIVELY TO LIKE RESTAURANTS OR DRIVE THRUS OR THINGS LIKE THAT THAT GENERATE A LOT MORE TRAFFIC. THE CAR WASHES ARE ACTUALLY A LITTLE BIT LESS ON THE TRAFFIC GENERATION ON AN HOURLY BASIS.

SO THAT THAT SHOULD BE SUFFICIENT FOR WHAT? YOU HAVE TO HAVE A COUPLE CARS.

I KNOW YOU'RE ASKING WAITING TIME ON CROSSING OVER.

WE DID NOT DO A TRAFFIC ANALYSIS TO THAT LEVEL OF, OF THAT, JUST WITH THE LOW THRESHOLDS TO DETERMINE LIKE LEVEL OF SERVICE OF THE TURN LANE.

DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE CAN STACK UP ON PREMISE? SO WELL, WE'VE GOT JUST IN, JUST IN THE WAITING LANE OF WHERE WE HAVE RIGHT THERE WITH CODE AND WE'VE WORKED THROUGH THAT.

SO WE HAVE 100 FOOT OF STACKING ESSENTIALLY FROM THE CROSSBAR ALL THE WAY BACK.

SO YOU HAVE OVER TEN CARS THAT CAN CAN STACK THROUGH THAT.

YOU'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO STACK ABOUT PROBABLY IF IT WOULD BE WITHIN THE FIRE LANE.

SO THAT'S NOT WHAT WE DO. BUT TO GET BACK ACTUALLY TO THE ROAD, YOU'RE PROBABLY LOOKING AT ABOUT 45 CARS OR SO.

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THAT'S WHY WE ALSO MOVED EVERYTHING BACK TO THE EAST SIDE SO THAT WE DO HAVE IN THE EVENT THAT SOMETHING HAPPENS IN THE TUNNEL ITSELF, IT RUNS ABOUT FIVE CARS EACH RUN WHENEVER IT GOES THROUGH FROM START TO FINISH.

SO IT CAN IT CAN MOVE THROUGH THOSE CARS PRETTY QUICKLY TO AVOID THE STACKING OF WHAT IT IS.

THEY ALSO HAVE FOR SOME OF THEM, WHETHER IT BE WAITING, THEY HAVE THE PAY STATION, THEY ALSO HAVE THE AUTOMATED LITTLE STICKER THING.

SO WHENEVER YOU HAVE YOUR MONTHLY MEMBERSHIP, YOU GO ON THROUGH. AND SO THERE'S NOT A WAIT THAT YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH EACH AND EVERY TIME, WHENEVER THEY HAVE THEIR MONTHLY MEMBERSHIP FOR THOSE FOLKS RIGHT THERE. SO THAT HELPS REDUCE WAIT TIME AND THE STACKING OF THE, OF THE ORDER LANES. SO YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, THREE DIFFERENT LEVELS OF MEMBERSHIP, YOU KNOW, BASIC WASH YOUR KIND OF ADVANCED WASH AND THEN YOUR, YOUR SUPREME WASH, AS YOU WANT TO CALL IT FOR WHAT IT IS THAT GOES IN THERE.

EACH HOURLY PERSON IS ABLE TO MAKE THAT DECISION.

THE ONLY OTHER THING THAT WE DID HAVE, AND IT'S NOT REALLY DO WE DO HAVE ONE LITTLE RETURNED WHERE IF THERE IS A, A VEHICLE THAT GOES THROUGH THE WASH, DIDN'T GET CLEAN OR SOMETHING HAPPENED OR WHATEVER WE DO HAVE THE ABILITY FOR IF YOU LOOK IN THE BOTTOM RIGHT HAND CORNER WHERE THE CARS CAN COME BACK THROUGH AND THEY CAN GO REWASH AS AS NEEDED, AND THEY DO NOT HAVE TO GO BACK IN THAT QUEUE AND HAVE TO WAIT BACK THROUGH THAT TO HELP EXPEDITE THE CUSTOMERS THAT ARE THERE. SO WITH THAT, I, I KNOW THAT, LIKE I SAID, I KNOW MARY COVERED A LOT OF IT.

I'M HAPPY TO GET INTO ADDITIONAL INFORMATION OR QUESTIONS THAT WE HAVE THAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO NEED TO GO THROUGH.

SO WITH THAT, IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE I'M HAPPY TO DISCUSS, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION BY THE COMMISSION? SO WILL THERE BE? I SEE THERE'S A A MUTUAL ACCESS EASEMENT ON THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY FOR THE ADJACENT PROPERTY TO THE EAST.

YES. SO WE SO FULL DISCLOSURE HERE WITH THE WAY THAT THIS LAND PURCHASE IS, IS DEVELOPING IS THAT OUR DEVELOPER AND OWNER IS, HAS UNDER CONTRACT THIS PIECE AND THE PIECE BEHIND IT, IT'S A PACKAGE DEAL ON THE LAND, ON LAND PURCHASE.

SO THEY ARE PURCHASING BOTH OF THOSE. AND FROM DAY ONE WITH OUR DISCUSSIONS WITH STAFF AND EVERYTHING ELSE IS THAT IT WAS INTENDED TO PROVIDE THAT MUTUAL ACCESS FOR THAT BACK PARCEL TO HELP THAT PARCEL WITH JUST HAVING ON, ON THE LOOP ROAD THERE ON THE EAST SIDE TO HELP WITH ACCESS, PARTICULARLY WITH FIRE AND EVERYTHING ELSE FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO HAVE EVENTUALLY A FIRE, A FIRE LANE THAT CAN GO THROUGH BOTH PROPERTIES TO, TO SERVE BOTH OF THEM. THANK YOU. DO WE KNOW THIS MIGHT BE A COAL QUESTION? DO WE KNOW ON THE NORTHBOUND LEFT TURN LANE. IS THERE A NO U-TURN THERE? COULD PEOPLE COME OUT OF THAT NORTH ENTRANCE AND TRY TO GO ACROSS THREE LANES OF TRAFFIC TO GET INTO THAT LEFT HAND TURN LANE AND MAKE A U-TURN? WELL, SO OUR, OUR OUR MAIN EXIT POINT AND WE CAN TALK TO COLE.

I DO NOT KNOW THAT ANSWER, BUT I KNOW THAT OUR MAIN ACCESS POINT THAT IS A FULL MEDIAN BREAK.

SO IF SOMEBODY IS TRYING TO GO SOUTHBOUND WHENEVER THEY LEAVE, THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO GO TO THE MAIN ENTRANCE AND TAKE US SOUTH, WHERE THAT EXISTING ACCESS DRIVE IS RIGHT THERE.

BUT I DO HAVE IT PULLED UP RIGHT HERE, AND I MIGHT BE ABLE TO STREET VIEW IT UNLESS COLE KNOWS OFF THE TOP OF HIS HEAD. SO.

SO THROUGH THAT MAIN ENTRANCE, THEN YOU WOULD ALMOST HAVE LIKE THROUGH THAT MAIN ENTRANCE PEOPLE MAKE THAT'S TURN AROUND TO THE OUTSIDE.

YOU WOULD HAVE THAT SORT OF LANED. SO THAT I'M NOT, I'M NOT FOLLOWING YOU.

EXACTLY. I'M SORRY. I'M JUST TRYING TO THINK OF IF I'M LEAVING.

YES, SIR. RIGHT. I'M GOING TO COME OUT THE I'M GOING TO COME OUT THIS SIDE. I'M GOING TO MAKE MAKE THE U TURN THERE, COME THROUGH THE THROUGH EVERYTHING ELSE. I'M GOING TO GET BACK TO THAT TOP ROAD. YES, SIR. AND AT SOME POINT I'M GOING TO HAVE TO DECIDE, DO I NEED TO GO TO THE LEFT TO GET OUT AND MAKE MY AND MAKE MY MY LEFT TURN? OR CAN I GO STRAIGHT RIGHT HERE, CUT ACROSS THREE LANES OF TRAFFIC, MAKE A U-TURN.

YOU'RE SAYING EXIT OUT THAT DRIVE ON THAT TOP THE TOP, DRIVE RIGHT, AND THEN GO.

TRY TO MAKE A U-TURN BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE WHEN PEOPLE LEAVE, THEY'RE GOING TO COME IN THE SAME. THEY'RE GOING TO COME IN THE SAME ROAD, THAT THEY'RE GOING TO GO OUT ON THE SAME ROAD THAT PEOPLE COME IN ON.

ALONG THE TOP. AND I ASSUME YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A, YOU KNOW, A RIGHT LANE AND A LEFT OR A INBOUND LANE AND AN OUTBOUND LANE, OR I GUESS THEY COULD CUT THROUGH THE VACUUM.

RIGHT? I'M JUST TRYING TO THINK WITH HOW TRAFFIC IS GOING TO FLOW LANE.

SO IT'S A, IT'S A WIDTH OF A FIRE LANE. SO IT'S AT LEAST 24FT WIDE.

SO AT THE VERY ENTRANCE RIGHT THERE, KNOWING THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE HEAVIER TRAFFIC, WE'VE ACTUALLY WIDENED THAT, THAT MAIN ENTRANCE TO 30FT OUT THERE IN THE FRONT.

THERE IT IS. AND SO THAT MEAN THAT YOU SEE GOING NORTH AND SOUTH AND THEN THAT, THAT KIND OF MAIN PART OF THAT DRIVE IS ALL 30FT TO HELP FACILITATE LARGER NUMBERS OF TRAFFIC. IN MY OPINION, ON WHAT WE HAVE ON FACILITATING THE ENTRANCE AND EXIT THAT NORTHERN ENTRANCE,

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YOUR EASIEST WAY TO FACILITATE A LEFT TURN ON THIS PROPERTY IS AFTER YOU GO THROUGH THE TUNNEL, YOU GO THROUGH YOUR VACUUMS AND YOU'RE EXITING BACK OUT.

IS THAT YOU WOULD GO TO THE ENTRANCE THAT'S LOCATED AT THE MIDDLE OF THE SITE THERE.

AND THEN THAT WOULD BE A FULL ENTRANCE WHERE YOU COULD MAKE IT MAKE THAT SAFE LEFT TURN THROUGH THAT INTERSECTION THERE VERSUS HAVING TO GO UP TO THAT OTHER INTERSECTION, THEN TURN RIGHT AND THEN TRY TO MAKE THAT IMMEDIATE U-TURN. SO THAT'S, THAT'S HOW.

YEAH. RIGHT. RIGHT THERE IS WHERE I WOULD FORESEE THE FACILITATION OF THE LEFT TURN LANES.

THAT, THAT NORTHERN ACCESS POINT IS, IS MATCHING UP WITH WHAT THE EXISTING DRIVES ARE THERE.

I ANTICIPATE THAT TO BE KIND OF MAINLY ALMOST AN EXIT ONLY WHERE IT'S GOING TO MAKE A RIGHT TURN FOR PEOPLE GOING NORTH.

I DON'T ANTICIPATE A LOT OF TRAFFIC COMING NORTH RIGHT THERE AND CUTTING THROUGH, YOU KNOW, COMING UP AND THEN MAKING THE U-TURN. I THINK THEY'LL TAKE THE MAIN ENTRANCE AND GO GET IN LINE TO WHERE THAT NORTHERN SIDE IS REALLY A RETURN FOR THE NORTHBOUND TRAFFIC.

YEAH, I THINK I'M JUST MORE CONCERNED ABOUT PEOPLE EXITING OUT THAT NORTH ENTRANCE GOING ALL THE WAY ACROSS, TRYING TO GET IN THE LEFT HAND TURN LANE AND MAKE A U-TURN TO GO SOUTH, NOT REALIZING THAT THEY SHOULD GO THE OTHER WAY. FROM WHAT I COULD SEE ON STREET VIEW, WHILE WE WERE KIND OF TALKING AND TRYING TO DO THAT, I DID NOT SEE THAT THERE WAS A NO U-TURN NOTED ON THAT ENTRANCE RIGHT THERE.

IF STAFF SUPPORTS IT, OF COURSE, AND EVERYTHING ELSE, WE'RE GOING TO BE MAKING THAT MODIFICATION TO THE LEFT TURN LANE.

WE HAVE ZERO ISSUES OF PUTTING A NO NO U-TURN THERE, IF THAT PLEASES THE COMMISSION, BECAUSE WE WE DON'T WANT PEOPLE MAKING THOSE TRAFFIC PATTERNS LEAVING OUR SITE AS WELL, BECAUSE TRYING TO GET OVER THREE LANES OF TRAFFIC, LIKE YOU SAID, JUST TO MAKE A U-TURN IS GOING TO BE A. I THINK THAT CAN BE A CHALLENGING TRAFFIC MOVEMENT.

YEAH, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU COULD PROBABLY WORK OUT WITH, WITH COLE AT THE TIME OF ENGINEERING. WE'RE WE'RE HAPPY TO DO THAT.

LIKE I SAID, IF, IF THAT NEEDS TO BE THERE, WE'RE HAPPY TO PUT IT IN.

COMMISSIONER DOBMEIER. THAT'S ACTUALLY A GOOD POINT BECAUSE RIGHT OUT IN FRONT OF THE TRADER JOE'S, PEOPLE GO TO THE SOUTHERN EXIT TO TURN OVER ACROSS THREE LANES TO GET TO THE TURN LANE, TO BE ABLE TO DO A U-TURN BECAUSE IT TAKES A LONG TIME TO MAKE THAT LEFT TURN SOUTHBOUND ON DENTON. TAP OUT OF THE TRADER JOE'S PARKING LOT.

SO THAT'S A GREAT OBSERVATION. IT WILL. A U-TURN SIGN HELP WITH THAT, HOPEFULLY, BUT WELL.

BUT WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, THAT'S AN ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT.

IT'S NOT AN HEB. SO I DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE OUR DEVELOPER WOULD LOVE AT HEB FROM THAT STANDPOINT, BUT I DON'T I DON'T THINK THE SITE COULD SUPPORT THAT. EITHER WAY, TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU ON THAT.

BUT WE, I MEAN, WE'RE HERE TO WORK. WE WANT A SUCCESSFUL SITE, WE WANT A SITE THAT OPERATES AND FUNCTIONS AND WE DON'T WANT TO BE THE ONES LIKE, OH, DID YOU SEE THE CAR WASH DOWN THERE? WE PROVED IT. AND THEN THEY'VE GOT TRAFFIC PROBLEMS. THAT'S NOT WHAT WE WANT TO DO. WE WANT TO HAVE AN EFFICIENT AND OPERATING SITE.

SO I'LL BE WE CAN MAKE THAT COMMITMENT TO WORK WITH COLE AND SEE HOW BEST TO SOLVE THAT.

MADAM CHAIRMAN. YES. JUST JUST OUT OF CURIOSITY, WHAT'S THE ACREAGE THAT YOU'RE NOT USING THAT AS A PART OF THIS PARCEL THAT YOU'RE PLATTING SEPARATELY? SO IT'S GOING TO BE ABOUT THE SAME SIZE AS WHAT WE HAVE JUST PICTORIALLY THAT WE HAVE RIGHT HERE.

IT IS A LITTLE BIT CHALLENGING ON THAT EASTERN SIDE RIGHT THERE OF WHAT WE HAVE.

I DON'T RECALL THE EXACT ACREAGE, BUT YOU DO STILL HAVE THAT ATMOS GAS EASEMENT.

JUST LIKE WE HAVE THE CHALLENGE ON OUR SIDE, YOU'LL HAVE THAT SAME ATMOS GAS EASEMENT THAT'S GOING TO EAT UP PROBABLY A LITTLE BIT MORE ON THIS SIDE BECAUSE IT GOES AS YOU CAN KIND OF SEE AT AN ANGLE THAT'S RIGHT THERE.

SO YOU HAVE ABOUT THE SAME DEVELOPABLE AREA. TOTAL AREA THERE, LITTLE LESS DEVELOPABLE AREA ON THAT EASTERN SIDE.

SO PROBABLY BACK IN THE NAPKIN ACRE AND A HALF OF DEVELOPABLE AT SOME POINT IN TIME.

OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? MR. CHRISTIE, THANK YOU. DON'T GO TOO FAR. WE MAY HAVE MORE QUESTIONS.

NO PROBLEM. ANYWAY, THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING.

IS THERE ANYBODY HERE TO SPEAK? WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, EITHER FOR OR AGAINST? SEEING NO ONE. I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSIONS BY THE COMMISSION? IS THERE A MOTION. IS THE ENTRANCE THAT'S PLANNED AT THE BACKSIDE OF THIS, IS THAT JUST AN EASEMENT TYPE THING THAT WE MAKE THEM PUT IN? OR. THAT'S NOT OPENING TO ANYTHING, RIGHT? COLE.

THE ACCESS ALONG THE ALONG THE EAST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.

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SO RIGHT NOW ON THAT NORTHERN SIDE, THERE'S AN EASEMENT CROSSING OUR PROPERTY THAT WE'D BE LOOKING TO DEVELOP TO PROVIDE FUTURE ACCESS TO THE EASTERN LOT. AS THE EASTERN LOT DEVELOPS, THAT MAY HAVE.

THE ALIGNMENT OF THAT MAY CHANGE TO CONTINUE ON TO THE ACCESS ROAD ON THAT EASTERN SIDE.

SO THEN THAT WOULD CONNECT ALL THE WAY THROUGH. BUT AT THIS POINT IN TIME, WE WOULD BE PROVIDING THAT PORTION OF IT.

AND THEN WHENEVER THE FUTURE LOT COMES IN AND DEVELOP BEHIND IT, THEN THEY WOULD DEDICATE THE REST ON THEIR PARCEL TO FOR THE FIRE LANE AND FOR THE FIRE TRUCKS. OKAY. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? IS THERE A MOTION BY THE COMMISSION? YES. VICE CHAIR BLANKENSHIP, I MOVE TO APPROVE THE SUP1272-C SHAMMY'S CAR WASH, SUBJECT TO STAFF CONDITIONS.

IS THERE A SECOND? DID WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING? YES. OKAY. YES. THANK YOU. OKAY. THERE'S A MOTION BY COMMISSION MAURER AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER DOBMEIER. MISS MCGEE, WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? PLEASE RESPOND BY SAYING AYE OR NAY AS I CALL YOUR NAME. COMMISSIONER PATEL. AYE. COMMISSIONER DOBMEIER. AYE.

VICE CHAIR BLANKENSHIP. AYE. COMMISSIONER MAURER.

AYE. COMMISSIONER HAFEMANN. AYE. AND COMMISSIONER BISHOP.

AYE. ALL APPROVE. NONE OPPOSED. MOTION CARRIES.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MISS MCGEE. ITEM 7 IS UPDATE ON CITY COUNCIL, WHICH WE WENT OVER IN THE WORKSHOP.

AND UNLESS THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE, ITEM 8 IS ADJOURNMENT.

THERE BEING NO FURTHER BUSINESS BEFORE THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, I ADJOURN THE MEETING.

THE TIME IS 6:57. OH, WAIT.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.